But back to D’Antoni. I was watching his show on MSG and he said something that I really respected. Breen asked him why he leans on the vets versus the younger players and D’Antoni said something along the lines that he cares about the guys on expiring deals because he’d like to see them extend their careers. He also said that rookies have to “take out” a veteran if they want to see minutes.

...SMH

McK1 wrote:from tommy dee's blog:

But back to D’Antoni. I was watching his show on MSG and he said something that I really respected. Breen asked him why he leans on the vets versus the younger players and D’Antoni said something along the lines that he cares about the guys on expiring deals because he’d like to see them extend their careers. He also said that rookies have to “take out” a veteran if they want to see minutes.

...SMH

That is probably part of how he earned his reputation as a player's coach. I also can' say I disagree with it, no matter what that says about our rookies.

McK1 wrote:how do you agree with MDA consciously FUBARing the rebuild effort? Walsh didn't sign AI because of how he'd hurt the development yet his coach comes out and says he wants to make sure the multi millionares can garner their next contract + at the same time the rookies have to beat out guys not in the longterm plans? This is horse****!

Seems like two different visions of the franchise here...only in NY

Its says little about our rookies and a lot about dysfunction within the organization--some masterful plan? I guess it works out if LBJ had a preemptive notion to come here regardless but that will be pure luck and nothing else.

joec32033 wrote:

McK1 wrote:how do you agree with MDA consciously FUBARing the rebuild effort? Walsh didn't sign AI because of how he'd hurt the development yet his coach comes out and says he wants to make sure the multi millionares can garner their next contract + at the same time the rookies have to beat out guys not in the longterm plans? This is horse****!

Seems like two different visions of the franchise here...only in NY

I agree with rookies having to earn their time. I agree that the best players should play. We all talk about how our players suck, so it should be easy for them to beat out these vets rights? Right?

joe, u can't honestly believe that Jordan Hill can't beat out Fishlips for minutes if that was really the case... this is all about trying to milk some kinda non-existent trade value out of him so they can somehow dump his contract before the deadline if u ask me... the same reason why we didn't sign AI, because he'd diminish the scoring #'s of other guys w/expirings they'll try to unload as well... i think Walsh is trying to put together some deals... we'll see if that bears any fruit... it better cuz delaying the development of our young guys is horse **** if that's not the case.

*Isiah strapped our team with his vision of a superstar lineup maxing us our through 2011.
*That team did not work.
*New management was hired to fix the problem.
*New management understood that the past 10 years of recycling expiring contracts and draft picks had been a failure.
*New management conceded that a new path must be taken.
*New management understood that contracts must be shed prior to building a new team from scratch.
*That new team would be built from scratch starting in July 2010.
*That new team would be decent but like any contending team takes time to build and that building would continue into the 2011 offseason.
*That new 2011 summer team would be adding the final piece to a title contending team that would take the court in November 2011 with sights on the 2011-2012 NBA Finals.

....Anyone who doesn't understand this progression needs to be smacked silly until the agree to take the time to figure out what it takes to build a winning team.

Wow

*That new 2011 summer team would be adding the final piece to a title contending team that would take the court in November 2011 with sights on the 2011-2012 NBA Finals.

....Anyone who doesn't understand this progression needs to be smacked silly until the agree to take the time to figure out what it takes to build a winning team.

Perhaps you should start with your own Will sniff the 2012 NBA championship --we dont even know who will be here next year and you have us winning an NBA championship-- Is there a Tim Duncan in the 2011 draft that I dont know about?

I would just hope we can find 2 great players by 2011 who are under 25. One step at a time son--we absolutely sck and we have a massive roster problem no matter what we do next year.

McK1 wrote:

Cosmic wrote:Anyone that does not understand the following either is not capable of simple thought or is simply in denial.

*Isiah strapped our team with his vision of a superstar lineup maxing us our through 2011.
*That team did not work.
*New management was hired to fix the problem.
*New management understood that the past 10 years of recycling expiring contracts and draft picks had been a failure.
*New management conceded that a new path must be taken.
*New management understood that contracts must be shed prior to building a new team from scratch.
*That new team would be built from scratch starting in July 2010.
*That new team would be decent but like any contending team takes time to build and that building would continue into the 2011 offseason.
*That new 2011 summer team would be adding the final piece to a title contending team that would take the court in November 2011 with sights on the 2011-2012 NBA Finals.

....Anyone who doesn't understand this progression needs to be smacked silly until the agree to take the time to figure out what it takes to build a winning team.

what does any of this have to do with MDA losing with the vets over the rookies so the vets can get a new contract somewhere else?

I think the main problem here is we needed two things a center and a point guard. We passed on two all stars in Lopez and Jennings and have to be force fed this notion that Gallo is going to be great. He is young, blah, blah....whatever. Jennings is young, Randolph is young, Gordon is young. Donnie doesn't know how to draft. Ryan Anderson is more versatile than Gallo and you can find a Tony Douglas all day long. Everyone can be patient, but some fans that accept this **** need to be smacked in the face.

We suck and our rookies/talent isn't better than any team in the entire league. When lebron signs with someone else and we are ****ed for another season and Walsh doesn't bring anyone in of value it will be par for the course.

nixluva wrote:In the end nothing that happens now means a thing if we indeed do land Lebron! I don't believe that what this team does this season matters cuz most of them aren't gonna be here anyway! Lebrons agent knows that and I'm sure he's already spoken to Lebron about that. He's not winning a title in Cleveland IMO and other than that there's no reason to stay there.

Remember this, the second Lebron signs we'd have no problem getting any other FA to sign. Who would say no to playing with Lebron for rest of his career? He and his agent know this and they should also know that the knicks will again have major cap space the next summer. In effect we may be the fastest path to a title contender mainly due to being able to quickly build around him a top team.

so putting the rookies + Gallo in realgame situations taking their lumps now so they may know what to do and what no tto do when the savior in 010 comes is irrelevant? bull****!

also if Lebron signs there will be little cap left to sign anyone else next off-season. It'll be James and the guys currently seeing little to no minutes

nixluva wrote:In the end nothing that happens now means a thing if we indeed do land Lebron! I don't believe that what this team does this season matters cuz most of them aren't gonna be here anyway! Lebrons agent knows that and I'm sure he's already spoken to Lebron about that. He's not winning a title in Cleveland IMO and other than that there's no reason to stay there.

Remember this, the second Lebron signs we'd have no problem getting any other FA to sign. Who would say no to playing with Lebron for rest of his career? He and his agent know this and they should also know that the knicks will again have major cap space the next summer. In effect we may be the fastest path to a title contender mainly due to being able to quickly build around him a top team.

if the plan is to attract a FA like Lebron then playing the rooks max minutes so Lebron gets an idea of who he'll be playing with when he gets here is a better plan than playing vets who won't be here past this season if u ask me, especially when some of those vets ur playing are scrubs.

BRIGGS wrote:]

Wow

*That new 2011 summer team would be adding the final piece to a title contending team that would take the court in November 2011 with sights on the 2011-2012 NBA Finals.

....Anyone who doesn't understand this progression needs to be smacked silly until the agree to take the time to figure out what it takes to build a winning team.

Perhaps you should start with your own Will sniff the 2012 NBA championship --we dont even know who will be here next year and you have us winning an NBA championship-- Is there a Tim Duncan in the 2011 draft that I dont know about?

I would just hope we can find 2 great players by 2011 who are under 25. One step at a time son--we absolutely sck and we have a massive roster problem no matter what we do next year.

We competed straight up against a Nuggets team that got 50 from the probable scoring champ and possible 2009 MVP. Not really accurate to say we totally suck. We are inconsistent, and if we play our best ball, we are pretty good. Add a max FA stud and a couple of near-max FAs and the inspired young players currently on the roster, and I would agree that with MDAs system, a winning attitude and sustained effort level on D, we may well contend in the Finals.

That's the wonderflly messed up thing about Donnie's plan: Once it plays out, we are very quickly into contention. Just like we watched it happen for the Celtics. Could very easily happen here in the next 3 years. But we can't give big deals to guys who are partial players (e.g., DLee) or malcontents (e.g. N8). I hope Donnie can work something out on Curry or JJ this December, and perhaps also make deals to move Lee/N8. Even if none of that happens, MDA should let the rooks start to take leadership roles and assert themselves on the court, especially Gallo.