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misterearl
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11/26/2009  7:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/26/2009  9:02 AM
What Is The Law?

There has always been conflict between the General Manager and Head coach in the corporate culture of MSG. Even Holzman and Donovan did not get along. Al Bianchi and John McLeod? C'mon man! Grunfeld gets wacked and Layden follows. Sheesh. All i know is that something is still not right. Walsh and D'Antoni have conspired to devolve the New York Knicks into a team of migrant workers... we get that part. What I cannot accept is the universal hoop law is being ignored. It states, "best five play."

I don't care what the plan is for 2010, there is no way any player plays this poorly without some control or dramatic change from leadership. Mike D'Antoni is showing clear signs of careless coaching for not reigning in his system or individual players who are obviously NOT playing team oriented basketball. His only leverage is minutes. As minutes stay constant, players remain careless.

The "7 seconds or less" holds less value than a random pickup game if players are not coached to trust the whole. What we are witnessing is the worst quality basketball ever played by a Knicks team, not due to talent, but from total lack of leadership. It starts with the head coach and leads directly to the starting lead guard, who has played miserably. Period.

The prime directive never changes, "You suck, you sit". Why is it not being followed?

If Chris Duhon is not booed loudly the instant he sets foot on the floor of Madison Square Garden, we as fans have lost our voice and should never be considered among the "most knowledgeable" ever again. No more careless basketball.

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11/26/2009  10:31 AM
Mark Jackson also would have said he's going to build around Curry, I'm sure you would have loved to hear that huh ?
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11/26/2009  2:55 PM
"Mark Jackson also would have said he's going to build around Curry"

JrZyHuStLa - I love how you impose random opinion in someone else's mouth. I respectfully submit that if Mark Jackson were head coach of the New York Knicks that he would play the five who he felt EARNED the minutes based on their performance. I'm not convinced that whatever player he would "build around" would be a responsibility of his role as head coach, over that of Donnie Walsh as General Manager.

Furthermore, you must know that the envelope that contains the names of which players will be considered assets in the foundation is held only by suits at Cablevision. Not you. Not me.

If Mark Jackson was head coach I submit the executive meetings at 2 Penn Plaza would not be dull.

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11/26/2009  3:25 PM
Come on! MDA had to give Duhon every chance to get it together. Plus the fact that Nate was struggling, Hughes isn't a real PG and TD is too new. I'd love to see a change made but I understand why MDA has been hesitant to make the move.
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11/26/2009  7:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/26/2009  7:50 PM
This Is Not A Typo

nixluva - how can D'Antoni overlook the fact Duhon is shooting 24 per cent from the field and... hold up... 19 per cent... yes NINETEEN per cent from outside the arc. The mere idea that Duhon thinks to KEEP shooting three point shots, let alone ATTEMPT them at will, is a crime against humanity.

Nate is no longer struggling and you KNOW that he will bring energy whenever he is on the floor. Sure, some of it grates at your nerves but I would rather have Nate being an irritant over Duhon walking the ball upcourt. Toney Douglas is a quick study and will only improve with experience. There is no doubt in my mind that it was Douglas hounding Duhon in training camp that shook his confidence to the core. He certainly ain't injured or "worn down", as was the (cough) explanation last season.

No my brotha.

It appears the fix at lead guard is not a fix after all, but just an executive (and his head coach) treading water until something better is more apparent than the proverbial elephant in the room.

I'm ready to cut bait with Chris Duhon in the rotation. Let him work on his shot and basketball leaderships skills in practice.

Head Coach Mark Jackson's Shift du jour:

Robinson
Douglas
Hughes
Gallinari
Milicic

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11/26/2009  7:57 PM
MDA will make the move all I'm saying is that he had to stick with him for a good while in order to give him a fair shot to see if he could get his game back. In addition Nate was just as shaky early on so how could MDA have done it sooner? Now would seem to be a good time to move Duhon to the bench. He has clear justification.
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11/26/2009  8:21 PM
nixluva - I hear you but

I double dog dare D'Antoni to start Duhon on December 1 against the Suns

You suck. You sit.

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11/27/2009  12:53 AM
I think MJax would have held players accountable for their play. I don't know what to think of Duhon this year because this time last year he seemed like a good signing and then eventually wore down. I don't think MJAX would run the team like Skiles but I think his expectations of guys playing both ends of the court would be much higher than MDA's. If MJAX was coaching my guess is that the Knicks would have one more win but would have held at least 5 teams below 100 pts. I also think Hill would be playing alot more and Duhon would be playing alot better or not playing at all.
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11/27/2009  1:26 AM
Walsh has gotta get rid of Duhon. D'antoni will never do it. D'antoni doesn't want to "lose the vets".
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/27/2009  2:16 AM
Mark Jackson just got passed by Jason Kidd, so now he is #3 all time in assists.

#1 John Stockton
#2 Jason Kidd
#3 Mark Jackson

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Make no mistake, Mark Jackson understood how to make an offense work better than most players who ever picked up a ball. If he brought half of that understanding to coaching we'd be in a better place now.

Hiring D'Antoni was simply a move to bring in a name coach to appease the fans. It was lot like signing Allen Iverson but with a coach. A guy who score a lot of points, is stubborn, thinks he is better than he really is, unable and unwilling to adapt.

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11/27/2009  2:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2009  2:38 AM
kam77 wrote:Walsh has gotta get rid of Duhon. D'antoni will never do it. D'antoni doesn't want to "lose the vets".

he's already lost them... he can barely stand Nate Robinson & seems like Nate is sick of MDA stealing his joy... David Lee is clearly playing for his next contract, cuz he for damn sure could care less about playing defense... same w/Nate, he's too busy padding his stats & screaming when he makes a drive to the hole & gets a layup with 2 minutes left in the game & his team losing by 20 to care either way... Duhon came into camp looking about 15 lbs. overweight & has brought zero energy this year while shooting like crap... Al Harrington is forcing up shots left & right, apparently he's keeping track of how many shot attempts will add dollars to his next contract too... Darko just doesn't give a rat's ass either way, he just wants to **** the referee's daughter in the mouth... & Fishlips just plain sucks... nuff said.

Hughes & (i can't believe i'm about to say this) Eddy Curry have probably been the only vets who u really can't complain much about this season.

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11/27/2009  9:54 AM
7 Seconds or Less

The point being, if the strategy was to discard contracts and bring in yoots all along, the criteria list for a coach would be tailor made for a basketball thinker who is flexible, determined but with the ability to adapt.

With the auditions in effect, "7 seconds or less" is confused with "7 seconds to get my shot off so I can look good in the stat book"

The only effective three point shooters are Nate and Gallo. The Mayor lost too much time on the court this Summer and his ankle is still jacked up. Harrington can make a three but is far too impulsive. Mark Jackson would have this squad of migrant workers playing better basketball. By his third year he would be more respected than Lawrence Frank was in his third season.

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11/27/2009  10:21 AM
Fiction at beat as to what "head coach" jax would do.

The guy is an announcer.

He racked up assists dumping the ball to ewing, smits and reggie. They padded his stats very nice.

Im not saying the guy is a hack, but lets build a monument to him either.

In hindsight Duhan sucks and we got problems. Nate is undependable except when we are down 20 points and he leads a failed comeback. In a crunch situaton Nate becomes very special and even more important his coach and perhaps his mates have no trust in him either as a leader or want him in a scrabble tournament. Nate is nate.
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11/27/2009  10:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2009  11:09 AM
Nalod - Jeff Van Gundy is an announcer.

Mark Jackson is a student of basketball - who learned by doing.

Build a monument to him? C'mon man! No one is suggesting a statue. What I AM suggesting is that the ONLY reason to hire a D'Antoni over a Mark Jackson, with a roster of vagabonds, is to buy time and patience from fans and the media. Build a monument to him? I would submit that the "monument" built to D'Antoni, in Phoenix, was carved in stone by Nash, Matrix and Stoudamire.

Of course, Mark Jackson could have failed as many other head coaches have. That is the nature of the game. Somewhere between your indecision between "hack" and "worthy of monument" is a more enlightened analysis of how Mark Jackson might perform as an NBA head coach. As Duhon sucks, as you have noted - which Stevie Wonder can see from ten miles away - then why is D'Antoni still starting him?

Think of it this way Nalod - What difference would it have made if Notre Dame gave the $30 million to Tyrone Willingham?

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11/27/2009  11:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2009  11:43 AM
Nalod wrote:Fiction at beat as to what "head coach" jax would do.

The guy is an announcer.

He racked up assists dumping the ball to ewing, smits and reggie. They padded his stats very nice.

Im not saying the guy is a hack, but lets build a monument to him either.

In hindsight Duhan sucks and we got problems. Nate is undependable except when we are down 20 points and he leads a failed comeback. In a crunch situaton Nate becomes very special and even more important his coach and perhaps his mates have no trust in him either as a leader or want him in a scrabble tournament. Nate is nate.

You're out of your mind with this "Dumping the ball" nonsense. Jackson was a) One of the most fundamental passers and B) One of the most creative passers the game has seen.

If it was so easy to dump the ball to Ewing, what happened to all the guards that played on the Knicks after Jackson? How come they had so much trouble getting Ewing the ball?

You have it backwards. Jackson padded the stats of Ewing, Miller, and Smits. (Especially Smits! I don't even know how you are citing that as an example of somebody who padded Jackson's assist total. Bizarre)

And I have not even gotten into the other guys who benefited from playing with Jackson such as Antonio Davis and Dale Davis.

Nalod, do your research. Players tend to have very strong, or career offensive years during the years they played with Mark Jackson. The evidence is there.

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Onto your "He's an announcer" comment. What do you base that bias on? Jackson's pedigree, accomplishments, and qualifications should afford him the same chance to coach a team that D'Antoni had. You'll be posting a different tune when Jackson is coaching the Nets!

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Nalod wrote:Fiction at beat as to what "head coach" jax would do.

The guy is an announcer.

He racked up assists dumping the ball to ewing, smits and reggie. They padded his stats very nice.

Im not saying the guy is a hack, but lets build a monument to him either.

In hindsight Duhan sucks and we got problems. Nate is undependable except when we are down 20 points and he leads a failed comeback. In a crunch situaton Nate becomes very special and even more important his coach and perhaps his mates have no trust in him either as a leader or want him in a scrabble tournament. Nate is nate.

You're out of your mind with this "Dumping the ball" nonsense. Jackson was a) One of the most fundamental passers and B) One of the most creative passers the game has seen.

If it was so easy to dump the ball to Ewing, what happened to all the guards that played on the Knicks after Jackson? How come they had so much trouble getting Ewing the ball?

You have it backwards. Jackson padded the stats of Ewing, Miller, and Smits. (Especially Smits! I don't even know how you are citing that as an example of somebody who padded Jackson's assist total. Bizarre)

And I have not even gotten into the other guys who benefited from playing with Jackson such as Antonio Davis and Dale Davis.

Nalod, do your research. Players tend to have very strong, or career offensive years during the years they played with Mark Jackson. The evidence is there.

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Onto your "He's an announcer" comment. What do you base that bias on? Jackson's pedigree, accomplishments, and qualifications should afford him the same chance to coach a team that D'Antoni had. You'll be posting a different tune when Jackson is coaching the Nets!

oohah

Terry Porter comes to mind.

If Jax had any real motivation to be a coach, he would be out there already.

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11/27/2009  11:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2009  11:56 AM
"Dumping the ball"

oohah - beautifully stated on Mark Jackson the basketball player. Jackson toned his game down to conform to the accepted NBA standard of decorum. If you ever saw him play an exhibition, he could make every pass and vary the amount of mustard with a precise, intuitive sense of rhythm. He was generous and accurate with the ball. THAT is how you rack up legendary assist totals.

The derisive "announcer" comment by Nalod is simply a weak attempt to frame Mark Jackson in as a low a light available.

Mark Jackson did not accept mediocrity as a player and he would not accept it as a coach. I pity the fo' playing guard under Jackson who relies on 16 per cent three point shooting for his offensive contribution.

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11/27/2009  12:04 PM
martin wrote:
Terry Porter comes to mind.

If Jax had any real motivation to be a coach, he would be out there already.

Please elaborate because I do not see any rationale behind that statement.

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11/27/2009  12:07 PM
Martin - real motivation?

Jackson is staying close to the game by scouting, studying film, and offering analysis on every team single in the league. Broadcasting requires hard work and focus. If that is not laying his analytical cards "out there" on a public table, for everyone (including team presidents) to see, I don't know what is.

See you at the interview.

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11/27/2009  12:12 PM
Misterearl, I saw Jackson play pro-am every summer in the early 90's.

The summer games at the CUNY gym were nuts! Chris Mullin, George Johnson, Anthony Mason, Walter Berry, Jerry "Ice" Reynolds, Ken "The Animal" Bannister...and there were so many other NBA guys I can't even name them.

Jackson always put on a show: Dunks, amazing passes, long range shots. Much fun!

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