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Is Chandler Still Better Than Ariza?
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Juice
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11/26/2009  2:00 AM
We were once told this by nixluva or misterearl
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11/26/2009  2:25 AM
could have been better. a year on the lakers can't hurt a player.
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11/26/2009  3:19 AM
I still hate Ariza but even though he can't make a lay-up or dribble to save his life...he makes up for it with effort, heart, and smarts. Wilson has none of the above working for him...blame it on a routine bone spur surgery all you want D'antoni.
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11/26/2009  4:17 AM
The way i see it, Chandler has great basketball athleticism, but is trapped in a timid, non emotional state of mind. Nothing wrong with being quiet, but for real this dude doesn't even make eye contact when being interviewed. He just seems to have many insecurity issues and we all know this game is mostly mental toughness and control. You've got to have certain ****iness about your game and bring it hard to your opponents. He's just way to soft, to shy, to timid, to hesitant etc..... id say trade him!!!
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11/26/2009  4:34 AM
Wilson chandler for donte green in a heart beat!!!!!!!!!
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11/26/2009  4:39 AM
emateo wrote:The way i see it, Chandler has great basketball athleticism, but is trapped in a timid, non emotional state of mind. Nothing wrong with being quiet, but for real this dude doesn't even make eye contact when being interviewed. He just seems to have many insecurity issues and we all know this game is mostly mental toughness and control. You've got to have certain ****iness about your game and bring it hard to your opponents. He's just way to soft, to shy, to timid, to hesitant etc..... id say trade him!!!

Totally agree...been saying it all season so far...Chandler/Jared/Duhon all need to go

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11/26/2009  7:14 AM
Juice - I also told you that Bernard King was a great person to watch a game with, Bobby Dandridge is the quintessential small forward, Mark Jackson would be a good fit as head coach, Cassius Clay would lose to Sonny Liston, Doug Christie's old lady was insecure beyond measure, Richie Guerin could play, "dese giys don't do nuttin' da easy way", and that David Lee was a good pick at 30 on draft night - the instant he was selected, so what's your point?
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11/26/2009  8:28 AM
misterearl wrote:Juice - I also told you that Bernard King was a great person to watch a game with, Bobby Dandridge is the quintessential small forward, Mark Jackson would be a good fit as head coach, Cassius Clay would lose to Sonny Liston, Doug Christie's old lady was insecure beyond measure, Richie Guerin could play, "dese giys don't do nuttin' da easy way", and that David Lee was a good pick at 30 on draft night - the instant he was selected, so what's your point?

I guess he takes your opinions about players seriously.

You should be flattered that he is calling you out.

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11/26/2009  8:56 AM
Paladin55 - you know The Answer Man never responds to cheap flattery. You, having wisdom beyond your years, also understand this whole deal is nothing but free entertainment.

With that said, I'm calling The Mayor to meet me at the spot this afternoon for a "sit-down". Enough is enough.

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11/26/2009  10:30 AM
What kind of question is this ?

Ariza has demonstrated the ability to learn from his mistakes, and has turned a shooting weakness into a strength.

As for Chandler, he has regressed from last year's spark, and is just way too soft.

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11/26/2009  10:57 AM
the thing i always liked about Ariza is that he seemed to "get it." i don't know what you call that ability - court awareness? game awareness? i don't really know, but so few of our players have it. chandler has one of the lowest doses of it on the team. Toney Douglas has it. Larry Hughes seems to have it sometimes. Gallo seems to have it, but seems to be too sheepish. really no one else. Ariza had it. too bad larry brown thought that meant he was delusional.
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11/26/2009  2:22 PM
from someone who thought Wilson was better...at this point HELL TO THE NO!
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11/26/2009  6:43 PM
orangeblobman wrote:could have been better. a year on the lakers can't hurt a player.

exactly... Chandler is every bit as talented as Ariza, maybe moreso, but Ariza had the benefit of learning from guys like Kobe Bryant & Phil Jackson, along w/ex Laker greats who hang around the team a lot like Kareem & Magic... he had the experience of playing on a championship squad... that experience had to have been huge in his development & maturation... Ariza was once called "delusional" by a HOF coach, Larry Brown when he was a member of the Knicks... now he's playing great basketball as a starter in Houston & has a championship ring on his finger... sometimes it's not the talent or even the player, but the surroundings u put them in that determines success... i have no doubt in my mind if Chandler had been brought up in that same type of winning environment & had guys to mentor him there like Ariza had, he'd be every bit as good as Ariza if not better.

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11/26/2009  6:45 PM
crzymdups wrote:the thing i always liked about Ariza is that he seemed to "get it." i don't know what you call that ability - court awareness? game awareness? i don't really know, but so few of our players have it. chandler has one of the lowest doses of it on the team. Toney Douglas has it. Larry Hughes seems to have it sometimes. Gallo seems to have it, but seems to be too sheepish. really no one else. Ariza had it. too bad larry brown thought that meant he was delusional.

i dunno if i agree w/u... Ariza never really seemed to me like he "got it" when he was a Knick... he was exciting to watch & put down some nice dunks, played the passing lanes well & got steals, but he was slow on rotations just like the rest of the team was, his offensive awareness was pretty poor, & he didn't show me any signs of becoming as good as he's become now... i thought he was very expendable... i think after he got out away from all the losing & the negativity & got around a winning culture is when he started to finally get it.

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11/26/2009  7:56 PM
Chandler needs to be re evaluated by the best orthopedic surgeon that Cabelvision can afford.

I would like to know if Chandler's indecisive play is due, in any part, to his ankle surgery.

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11/26/2009  9:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/26/2009  9:16 PM
As a result of his surgery, Chandler wasn't able to work on developing his skills over the summer. If anything, his lack of work caused his skills (and overall rhythm) to regress.

Chandler's still 2 years younger, but he could stand to play a clear role in a winning system in order for his skills to develop in a structured manner. As a Knick, he's played both forward positions as well as SG. Phil Jackson kept things simple for Ariza.

To be clear, I think Ariza today is a much more complete player than Chandler. I think they're currently going down different paths - perhaps Ariza is becoming more like a Pippen... and Chandler is more of a Marion.

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11/26/2009  10:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/26/2009  10:09 PM
technomaster wrote:As a result of his surgery, Chandler wasn't able to work on developing his skills over the summer. If anything, his lack of work caused his skills (and overall rhythm) to regress.

Chandler's still 2 years younger, but he could stand to play a clear role in a winning system in order for his skills to develop in a structured manner. As a Knick, he's played both forward positions as well as SG. Phil Jackson kept things simple for Ariza.

To be clear, I think Ariza today is a much more complete player than Chandler. I think they're currently going down different paths - perhaps Ariza is becoming more like a Pippen... and Chandler is more of a Marion.


Marion Jones???

The thing about Chandler predictions is he is the same guy from the last year of college to this year plus or minus 1 or 2.

Year	Team	       G   Min  M   A	Pct  M	 A  Pct   M  A  Pct  Off  Def  Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG	

2005-06 DePaul (12-15) 25 30.2 4.2 9.6 43.6 0.3 1.5 21.1 1.8 2.8 66.7 1.9 5.3 7.2 1.0 2.0 0.8 1.6 3.1 10.6
2006-07 DePaul (20-14) 34 31.7 5.7 12.7 45.0 1.1 3.4 33.3 2.1 3.1 65.4 1.9 5.1 6.9 1.4 1.6 0.6 1.4 2.8 14.6

Year  	Team  	G  Min   M   A   Pct   M   A   Pct  M   A   Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO  Stl Blk PF  PPG	
2007-08 NY 35 19:36 3.0 6.9 43.8 0.3 0.9 30.0 1.0 1.5 63.0 1.1 2.5 3.6 0.9 0.8 0.4 0.5 2.4 7.3
2008-09 NY 82 33:23 5.6 12.9 43.2 1.3 3.8 32.8 2.1 2.6 79.5 1.1 4.3 5.4 2.1 1.7 0.9 0.9 3.1 14.4
2009-10 NY 15 32:00 4.6 11.9 38.8 0.7 3.1 21.3 1.8 2.0 90.0 1.5 3.8 5.3 1.7 1.7 0.5 1.1 3.4 11.7

So I don't understand what we are waiting for???? If Wilson Chandler plays 32 mins he is going to take 11-13 shots, score 12-14 points, Block about .9 shots, steal about .7, get around 1.5 assist, and 5.5 rebs........... while going to the line about twice a game. Overall an under whelming player getting alot of time to be sub average. I wonder what chandlers numbers would look like if he had to come off the bench with 8-9 shots and only 22 mins per.......... would he even play!!!

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11/26/2009  10:11 PM
Not sure of the point of this thread. Ariza was drafted and let go by different management.

At this point in their respective careers I would take Ariza if I was asked to choose between them, but none of us know how Chandler will eventually turn out as a player. He has not built on last season- that is obvious, but I don't know if it is because of his injury, or the fact that he is not a good enough player to surpass his play of last season.

I do find it interesting that the best ball he has played this year was the first half of a game which was proceeded by the team's longest between-game break of the year.

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11/26/2009  11:58 PM
Chandler’s shooting percentage dipped to 38.8 percent after he made 1 of 6 shots against Sacramento. Chandler said he was still mildly bothered by the effects of off-season surgery to remove bone spurs from his left ankle. He has lacked some of his explosiveness from last season, while rushing jump shots.

“We just have a lot of problems, it looks like, and we just can’t get anything going,” D’Antoni said. “We have guys that are shooting extremely bad and just can’t get any confidence going.”

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11/27/2009  2:24 AM
Lots of Isiah picks are going to have nice careers around the NBA. Impatience has been the undoing of the Knicks again and again.

Isiah = good drafting + poor patience + bad trading.

Walsh = poor drafting + good patience + ? trading.

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