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BRIGGS
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11/24/2009  11:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/24/2009  11:44 AM
They took 5 PG's so that is where they were going to go but Sessions wouldve made this team much better imho. I think being cheap on this was stupid--we needed long term help at many positions. I really believe if got Sessions to play 40 minutes he would have close to all star type numbers for less than 4mm per.
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11/24/2009  11:46 AM
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11/24/2009  11:48 AM
his three point percentage is 0.00%.

there's no way d'antoni would do that. and i believe they still hope to be able to trade jeffries and offer two max deals next summer. with sessions on board for $4M, that gets a lot harder.

but i agree we need a sessions type. or maybe a jennings type. did they really think they were going to get JKidd? honestly, i would have been relatively happy signing Jason Williams this summer. they needed something at the PG. they have nothing.

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11/24/2009  11:50 AM
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11/24/2009  12:14 PM
watched the minnesota game last night. Agree with how Walsh handled the sitch - one yr offer. Walsh did the right thing by passing on a multi-year mmultimillion dollar contract. Nothing about how he plays says he would've made any real impact in the W column.
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11/24/2009  12:18 PM
Briggs, I'll say one thing for you ....you don't give up easily. Still Sessions is a pass at $4 million for a few years.
He drives the basket well where he gets his points on lay-ups. But Sessions can't shoot!

0% from 3 pt
67% free throw %....that has to be the worst shooting of any guard in the league.

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11/24/2009  12:39 PM
McK1 wrote:watched the minnesota game last night. Agree with how Walsh handled the sitch - one yr offer. Walsh did the right thing by passing on a multi-year mmultimillion dollar contract. Nothing about how he plays says he would've made any real impact in the W column.

I disagree--I think given 38 minutes--he is a 15/16-6-8 PG capable of 45-50% FG shooting--he is not going to get that there unless there is injury to Flynn.

Compare that to the production of Duhon who is shooting a staggering 24%

If you honestly swapped out Duhon for Sessions we would easily be a better team. I don't think that is an argument.

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11/24/2009  12:40 PM
I think every poster here agreed Sessions would improve this team. The bottom line however is its a bad hedge.

We are setting up for two max earners next summer. What needs to be stressed is the 2nd max earner is probably just as important as the first. This is NOT going to be a good team this year, so any max FA will want to see another bigtime player coming in here to build around. Douglas, Chandler and Hill arent exciting players for Lebron to pair with. Amare, Bosh, Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay are much more attractive options.

We always talk about how the Knicks can get a star, and how there is nothing more important than taking a shot. Briggs... you yourself once posted the Knicks should give up every good player and 2-3 future first rounders to get Kwame Brown from Wash when he was struggling. You can always get guys like Ramon Sessions later. We have a chance to add a superstar and a perrenial all star. Hey.. is it possible we swing and miss? Of course. But to me adding a guy like Sessions in a season like this would be as stupid as playing our vets to win 32 games instead of 22 in a year when Lebron, Wade, Carmelo asnd Bosh will all be in the draft.

I know this year sucks. I hurts me too fella... trust me. But we have to try this. There is no fool proof way to build a title team in this league, but we are setting ourselves up with a pair of lottery tickets when there are an unprecedented group of studs to choose from. We have to try and there is no point hedging 10-15 wins and risking losing guy #2, which then costs you guy #1.

If your a star, do you want to....
Play for the Knicks who won 35 games and have Ramon Sessions, Douglas, Chandler, Marcus Landry and Jordan Hill on the roster
OR
Play for the Knicks who won 22 games and have Douglas, Chandler, Marcus Landry and Jordan Hill on the roster PLUS another max earner all star?

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11/24/2009  12:48 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
McK1 wrote:watched the minnesota game last night. Agree with how Walsh handled the sitch - one yr offer. Walsh did the right thing by passing on a multi-year mmultimillion dollar contract. Nothing about how he plays says he would've made any real impact in the W column.

I disagree--I think given 38 minutes--he is a 15/16-6-8 PG capable of 45-50% FG shooting--he is not going to get that there unless there is injury to Flynn.

Compare that to the production of Duhon who is shooting a staggering 24%

If you honestly swapped out Duhon for Sessions we would easily be a better team. I don't think that is an argument.

being better than duhon is one thing. winning games is another. will sessions impact the W column enough to spend cap on? Well Minny has him and they are playing worse than NY.

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11/24/2009  12:51 PM
fishmike wrote:I think every poster here agreed Sessions would improve this team. The bottom line however is its a bad hedge.

We are setting up for two max earners next summer. What needs to be stressed is the 2nd max earner is probably just as important as the first. This is NOT going to be a good team this year, so any max FA will want to see another bigtime player coming in here to build around. Douglas, Chandler and Hill arent exciting players for Lebron to pair with. Amare, Bosh, Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay are much more attractive options.

We always talk about how the Knicks can get a star, and how there is nothing more important than taking a shot. Briggs... you yourself once posted the Knicks should give up every good player and 2-3 future first rounders to get Kwame Brown from Wash when he was struggling. You can always get guys like Ramon Sessions later. We have a chance to add a superstar and a perrenial all star. Hey.. is it possible we swing and miss? Of course. But to me adding a guy like Sessions in a season like this would be as stupid as playing our vets to win 32 games instead of 22 in a year when Lebron, Wade, Carmelo asnd Bosh will all be in the draft.

I know this year sucks. I hurts me too fella... trust me. But we have to try this. There is no fool proof way to build a title team in this league, but we are setting ourselves up with a pair of lottery tickets when there are an unprecedented group of studs to choose from. We have to try and there is no point hedging 10-15 wins and risking losing guy #2, which then costs you guy #1.

If your a star, do you want to....
Play for the Knicks who won 35 games and have Ramon Sessions, Douglas, Chandler, Marcus Landry and Jordan Hill on the roster
OR
Play for the Knicks who won 22 games and have Douglas, Chandler, Marcus Landry and Jordan Hill on the roster PLUS another max earner all star?


agreed. but as we all know, it's going to be really really hard to get that second max level guy on this team. moving jeffries or curry in this environment is going to be nigh on impossible.

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11/24/2009  12:53 PM
McK1 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
McK1 wrote:watched the minnesota game last night. Agree with how Walsh handled the sitch - one yr offer. Walsh did the right thing by passing on a multi-year mmultimillion dollar contract. Nothing about how he plays says he would've made any real impact in the W column.

I disagree--I think given 38 minutes--he is a 15/16-6-8 PG capable of 45-50% FG shooting--he is not going to get that there unless there is injury to Flynn.

Compare that to the production of Duhon who is shooting a staggering 24%

If you honestly swapped out Duhon for Sessions we would easily be a better team. I don't think that is an argument.

being better than duhon is one thing. winning games is another. will sessions impact the W column enough to spend cap on? Well Minny has him and they are playing worse than NY.

i agree here, too. sessions didn't do much to make milwaukee better last year either. i don't see him as a great playmaker - even his 22 assist game looks like a lot of drive and kick to charlie villenueva. i don't think he's one of those guys who makes teams much better. he can put up numbers for sure, but we already have nate, al and dlee for that.

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11/24/2009  1:12 PM
Sessions would have been Duhon part Deux. He might have had flashes, but eventually he would have been exposed as a back up, just like Duhon has been.
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11/24/2009  1:17 PM
Building on top of a bad team with more mediocre role players at the MLE or below is the wrong way ago. It is time to stop building on top of a bad team and start over completely. Do whatever you can to clear cap space, and get picks. Then take a stab at the big money players.
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11/24/2009  1:46 PM
Markji wrote:Briggs, I'll say one thing for you ....you don't give up easily. Still Sessions is a pass at $4 million for a few years.
He drives the basket well where he gets his points on lay-ups. But Sessions can't shoot!

0% from 3 pt
67% free throw %....that has to be the worst shooting of any guard in the league.

Using the numbers that Briggs linked, Sessions isn't playing better. His field goal % is up, but everything else is down - percentage wise - including his assists.
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11/24/2009  2:14 PM
I take exception to people thinking Ramon Sessions would help the Knicks more than marginally. Really? So, the Bucks let this magical, wonderful, radiant PG flee the coup and turn the reigns over to a rookie and start pumping out the Ws. Meanwhile, the Wolves are in a three team race for worst team in the league (Knicks, Wolves, Nets) and their back up PG is supposed to make more than a marginal upgrade here? Yeah right. Ramon Sessions is a member of the Shareef Abdur Rahim All-Stars along with David Lee and the rest of this team's, uh, key cogs.

How many hollow stat players does this team need? At least those Tony Parker comparisons are fleeting

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