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GodSaveTheKnicks
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11/20/2009  1:59 PM
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

As you watch any one of the 50 or so Knicks losses this season please remember that things only get better from here. Opportunities to land free agents and make awesome trades DO come along in the NBA and we have a shot at every free agent and disgruntled star on the trading block.

Chris Paul has a player option for the 2012/2013 season

Chris Paul has a player option for the 2012/2013 season

Chris Paul has a player option for the 2012/2013 season

Chris Paul has a player option for the 2012/2013 season

Chris Paul has a player option for the 2012/2013 season

Chris Paul has a player option for the 2012/2013 season

Breathe....

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TMS
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11/20/2009  2:20 PM
asking Knick fans to look ahead to 2012 & remain optimistic that things will turn around is a lot to ask.
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JohnWallace44
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11/20/2009  2:31 PM
Every time I read, "don't worry, there's always 2012" it makes me instantly regurgitate.

Come on folks... I'm running out of clean shirts here. I'm going to have to start wearing a bib.

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DrAlphaeus
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11/20/2009  2:39 PM
TMS wrote:asking Knick fans to look ahead to 2012 December & remain optimistic that things will turn around is a lot to ask.

Fixed that for you.

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TMS
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11/20/2009  2:43 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
TMS wrote:asking Knick fans to look ahead to 2012 December & remain optimistic that things will turn around is a lot to ask.

Fixed that for you.

at this point i'm not optimistic... i'm worried as hell... but i'm crossing my fingers & hoping like hell something real big happens this offseason, cuz right now w/the way this team is playing i'm not optimistic that the big FA's will even wanna come here.

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Allanfan20
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11/20/2009  3:03 PM
TMS wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
TMS wrote:asking Knick fans to look ahead to 2012 December & remain optimistic that things will turn around is a lot to ask.

Fixed that for you.

at this point i'm not optimistic... i'm worried as hell... but i'm crossing my fingers & hoping like hell something real big happens this offseason, cuz right now w/the way this team is playing i'm not optimistic that the big FA's will even wanna come here.

Yup. LeBron said himself, winning comes first.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
TMS
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11/20/2009  3:09 PM
what kinda message does passing on AI & choosing instead to stay the course w/Chris Duhon as your starting PG send to potential FA's in 2010? that the Knicks don't really care about winning, they just care about avoiding controversy... at least that's the message it would send to me if i were in their shoes looking in at this team.
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Moonangie
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11/20/2009  3:14 PM
TMS wrote:what kinda message does passing on AI & choosing instead to stay the course w/Chris Duhon as your starting PG send to potential FA's in 2010? that the Knicks don't really care about winning, they just care about avoiding controversy... at least that's the message it would send to me if i were in their shoes looking in at this team.

It says we are interested in developing our core four: Gallo, Hill, TD and Chandler. Those FAs know that Duhon, N8, AH, LH, DLee are all probably gone after this season. They also know the Knicks will have more cap space than any other team, and that's BEFORE we dump Eddie or JJ's deals this season.

If I were a FA, I would take a long look at the Knicks and conclude that I VERY much like what I see from a strategic standpoint going forward. Cap space = flexibility = change from the F-ed up past. Not signing AI, Kidd, Grant "Over The" Hill, etc. sends the exact RIGHT message to prospective FAs: The same old Knicks are not making the same old "loser" mistakes they have made the past ten years.

Gotta like it, except if you're a fan this season wanting some hoops entertainment.

TMS
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11/20/2009  3:29 PM
siging AI to a multi-year contract would have sent the message that it's the same old Knicks making the same old loser mistakes... signing him as a 1 year rental sends the message that the Knicks aren't happy w/being a losing franchise & are at least trying to improve themselves while remaining fiscally responsible w/the cap longterm... AI can still play at a high level.

if you're a FA this offseason how do u conclude that a team of Gallo, Hill, TD & Chandler, 4 unproven young talents, is one that you wanna go to? that's a rebuilding situation that will take some years to blossom, not one that screams "we're building a contender here, come join us!", especially if you're coming off yet another miserable season like the one we're well on our way this year to seeing... the only way we can be a really attractive destination for someone like Lebron is if we can dump a contract like Curry or Fishlips to gain the flexibility to sign another max guy like Bosh, Wade, Amare, etc. along with him, & signing AI would have been an excellent way to pump up Eddy Curry's value this season... him & AI would have worked perfectly in the P&R, the team would have been improved, & the players' confidence would have been increased playing alongside a guy like AI... we're talking about a 2-9 team here, not the Denver Nuggets or the Detroit Pistons... any glimmer of hope would have been a positive for everyone involved, & AI would have been a huge upgrade over Chris Duhon no matter what explanations u wanna come up with for passing on him... there were very minimal risks involved & some pretty big potential benefits... i just don't agree on passing on AI, & i've been 1 of the biggest supporters of Donnie Walsh's plan from the very beginning... signing AI would not have negatively effected the 2010 whatsoever.

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BasketballJones
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11/20/2009  3:33 PM
My interest in the Knicks is already near an all-time low (though I'm following them more closely this year than last.) If I have to wait for 2012 for them to be watchable again, I'll probably have completely lost interest by then and not care one way or the other. Which is just as well. Watching three or four basketball games a week eats up like 12 hours that I could spend doing other things.
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GodSaveTheKnicks
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11/20/2009  3:53 PM
Have faith Basketball Jones. If you're still remotely paying attention after all these years now would be the worst time to bail.
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orangeblobman
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11/20/2009  3:54 PM
yea, we're at the cusp of greatness
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
GodSaveTheKnicks
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11/20/2009  3:58 PM
I'd say more we're at the edge of the desert. We've already walked hundreds of miles without much water, our feet are more blisters than skin.

But just a few miles away is an oasis...

If you've already endured this hell, why give up just when we finally have the flexibility to add some real pieces??

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jusnice
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11/20/2009  4:52 PM
orangeblobman wrote:yea, we're at the cusp of greatness

we are at the cusp of perpetual irrelevance

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