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JohnWallace44
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11/19/2009  1:25 PM
So you're the Knicks, you have almost enough room for two Max contracts as it stands, and you have two pretty bad contracts on the books in Jeffries and Curry.

There are half a dozen players out there that can potentially elevate your franchise out of the black hole it's been in for the last decade.

Now, here's where it gets dicey...

Curry's decent play last night and Jeffries... let's call it "solid" play this season makes us all think, hey maybe we can move these guys afterall.

Why is that a problem? Because of the way the CBA is written the FA's current team can offer them more money than a new team can, we all know that by now. Well some of the comments coming out of Toronto recently make it sound as if the plan is to sign & trade Bosh in the expected event that he wants out and that would make sense for all parties this Summer so that the teams losing players get something and the players get full value.

Now, bear with me...

If we are able to move Curry in order to ensure that we have the cap room to sign two Max players, we may be killing our ability to get those players ultimately because we would not have salaries on the roster to match.

Capologists... please talk me down off the ledge.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/19/2009  1:27 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:So you're the Knicks, you have almost enough room for two Max contracts as it stands, and you have two pretty bad contracts on the books in Jeffries and Curry.

There are half a dozen players out there that can potentially elevate your franchise out of the black hole it's been in for the last decade.

Now, here's where it gets dicey...

Curry's decent play last night and Jeffries... let's call it "solid" play this season makes us all think, hey maybe we can move these guys afterall.

Why is that a problem? Because of the way the CBA is written the FA's current team can offer them more money than a new team can, we all know that by now. Well some of the comments coming out of Toronto recently make it sound as if the plan is to sign & trade Bosh in the expected event that he wants out and that would make sense for all parties this Summer so that the teams losing players get something and the players get full value.

Now, bear with me...

If we are able to move Curry in order to ensure that we have the cap room to sign two Max players, we may be killing our ability to get those players ultimately because we would not have salaries on the roster to match.

Capologists... please talk me down off the ledge.

I'd refer to this post I made in the Monta is being shopped thread. On page 3. At least this is my take on it.

Wallace is injury prone, Okafor doesn't fit this system, so I agree. I think Monta is tailor made for it, honestly. I agree it would be best to drop Curry, but if you can move a combo of Jefferies/Wilson/Duhon(Will and JJ2 count $9 mil towards the cap next year). You take on Ellis ($11 mil even over the life of his contract) you are only adding $2 mil worth of salary in 2010, giving us $29 mil on salary in 2010.

Maybe it's just me but I really underrate getting rid JJ2 because IMHO, getting 2 max contracts is only a real possibility to us is if we dump Curry.

If you get rid off JJ2, by current estimates ($50-$53 mil) we would have $21 mil on salary (counting Will). That is only $30 mil. A Max is $20 mil right? You need to get rid of both Jefferies and Curry to bring us to the point of realistically signing two max contract guys. That would bring us down to $10 mil, with $40-$43 mil to spare.

You sign 2 max contract guys you would have $50 mil in FA1, FA2, Will, Gallo, Toney, and Hill. You could conceivably resign Nate and Lee (cost will probably be around $13-$16 mil combined-IF they are not signed in the couple months after we have to renounce them). Say you resign both at $14. Now you have a payroll of 64 mil in payroll. No flexibility and you have to hope Will, Hill, and Toney can pan out otherwise you are stuck signing MLE talent for about 6 years.

Give me Monta, our youth and the chance to sign just one of LeBron/Wade/Amare(who isn't a max contract guy-I think he is $15-$17)/Bosh whoever.

If it was me, I trade Will, JJ2, and Duhon for Monta and Fisher(waive) OR Brandon Wright OR Randolph (unlikely, imo). Try and swing a deal of Curry and Hughes + $3mil for Mcgrady and Lowery(let both walk or resign Lowery cheap later).

Go after Lebron and Amare and go into next year with this:

Amare-$16 mil
Lebron-$20 mil
Gallo- $3 mil
Monta- $11 mil
Toney(our Rondo)-$1 mil

Hill-$2.5 mil

Looking here at 53.5 mil.

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11/19/2009  1:30 PM
JW, if you ended up moving Curry and JJ you would have tons of cap space, and in that case salaries don't need to match up exactly. Step away from the ledge.
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11/19/2009  1:34 PM
how does that answer it JoeC?
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11/19/2009  1:38 PM
Andrew wrote:JW, if you ended up moving Curry and JJ you would have tons of cap space, and in that case salaries don't need to match up exactly. Step away from the ledge.

this.

if we had the cap room to absorb bosh's max salary, we'd send toronto a trade exception in lieu of a matching player salary.

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11/19/2009  1:40 PM
I hear you Andrew, but ultimately we can't give these guys what their current teams can unless its a S&T and even OrangBlobMan doesn't think it will be easy to get them to turn it down to start over here.

I guess the solution would be to S&T guys from our end to match, but I don't know if that's even an option under the CBA.

NBA CBA is so strange. Its going to end up unfolding in a way that nobody expects.

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11/19/2009  1:45 PM
I think everyone is so focused on the offseason because of the big names that will hit the market, that we are all neglecting the next big re-alignment is this year's trading deadline. I think this year's trade deadline will see more activity than any other in years past. That is when the assets we own will give us the biggest leverage in the trade market. We have sooo many expiring contracts and decent role players with those contracts that in theory we can get the first or first 2 big pieces for the future. It will be interesting to see how Walsh parlays the expiring of Harrington, Hughes, Lee, Duhon, Nate, and possibly Mobley into some nice assets going forward.
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11/19/2009  1:47 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I hear you Andrew, but ultimately we can't give these guys what their current teams can unless its a S&T and even OrangBlobMan doesn't think it will be easy to get them to turn it down to start over here.

I guess the solution would be to S&T guys from our end to match, but I don't know if that's even an option under the CBA.

NBA CBA is so strange. Its going to end up unfolding in a way that nobody expects.

I don't think you understood what I was saying. If the knicks are way below the cap, they can receive a sign and traded max player and only ship $2M in players back to the team if they are far enough under the cap.

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11/19/2009  1:55 PM
But to trade a player in the last year of his contract is dicey. What if Bosh says he won't resign with the team? Heck, David Lee did that. That puts the power back in our court as we can get him for less than another team is willing to give, cause Bosh and any other max or near max free agent knows, that there are lots of dollars in endorsement money in this city.
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11/19/2009  1:56 PM
I gotcha Andrew... that does help the situation
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/19/2009  1:57 PM
eViL wrote:
Andrew wrote:JW, if you ended up moving Curry and JJ you would have tons of cap space, and in that case salaries don't need to match up exactly. Step away from the ledge.

this.

if we had the cap room to absorb bosh's max salary, we'd send toronto a trade exception in lieu of a matching player salary.

word, that makes sense - hard to envision because there's rarely been teams with this much space

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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