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simrud
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12/24/2003  10:14 AM
I don't care about all the bs about the class. The only thing that matters for a bball player is winning, and Spree is a winner, period. I loved what he did to Dolan. I hate dolan and it's a shame Spree never got to choke him By the way he Van Bust to school as the great white dope once again did nothing in the end of the game. As for the rest of this pathetic team, I can't wait till they all are gone one way or another.
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12/24/2003  10:28 AM
Exactly what has Spree ever won?
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12/24/2003  10:38 AM
SPREE IS THE MAN? No he is not! Spree is a dickhead! HE should be buried by a legion of knick players. How can you say spree is the man when he came into the Garden and started talking trash about everyone? He might have bitched the knick players but he also like Nedyal said, insulted the knicks uniform and the logo! Fuk that ahole. I have no feelings for him anymore.
But what pisses me off the most was that the Knick players did nothing about it! What the **** is going on with our team? this is Berman's comment in his article: http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/4738.htm
"Meanwhile, these soft, timid Knicks let Sprewell embarrass their owner, as Sprewell spewed trash all over the Garden. Just like in Golden State last month, when Keith Van Horn got pushed around by Cliff Robinson and the Knicks recoiled."

Why does the knick management put up with this? Don't they want another player that will stick up for if not the uniform, for them indirectly? I'm not saying spree is the man and all that, i'm saying, stop talking about spree. we are letting the knick players get away with doing nothing about it. He doesn't care if we think he showed no class. All he cares about was shoving in our face and he did without anyone getting in his way. SOFT AND TIMID IS RIGHT! These knicks are not the Knick team I fell in love with!
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12/24/2003  10:50 AM
I agree Silver....Berman's article was right on. The Knicks lack the tough guy player that keeps the team and opponents from getting out of line. Is Oak still looking for work?
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12/24/2003  11:00 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Berman's article was right on. The Knicks lack the tough guy player that keeps the team and opponents from getting out of line. Is Oak still looking for work?
Yes. We need someone that will play a tough game. It's not fair that most people here are saying Spree is the man or Spree showed no class etc. Most dont want to mention the knicks futility to respond to his clowning in an appropriate manner. I got caught up in the spree is good or spree is bad in the begining. It is not about Spree. Its about the knicks.

I wish someone comes on and starts a thread and says something that will put a closure on things.
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12/24/2003  11:05 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

It is not about Spree. Its about the knicks.

I wish someone comes on and starts a thread and says something that will put a closure on things.

exactly.
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12/24/2003  11:20 AM
Im more old school than some of you. Back in the day, the Knicks of the 1970s did not always win, but the took care of buisness. They were respected and TOUGH. Not 1990's slam down tough, but menatlly and physically. Clyde was leader and would never jaw it up, never argue a call. He led the team by playing the game and let that talk for him. Lots of traded players had grips with management and they all want to stick it back to them for trading them. But they showed respect for the fans. Spree could have sent his message loud and clear by playing well as he did, and winking at Dolan. That would have been cool. Spree really does not care about anyone but Spree. Thats cool, he is whom he is, but Spree Love is just way over done by the spree lovers. He dissed you too.


The Ewing era were filled with players whom might have lost a step or two, but they gave it all they had.

This team makes me sick now. SPree is MENTALLY SOFT, and that is just as bad as KVH game being soft. Clyde, Ewing, even KVH can control their emotions. Those like RahWEEd and MEwell are soft in other ways. In the end, they may be wealthy, but are losers.
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12/24/2003  11:41 AM
How did he diss the fans? The papers are all lying cause they hate Spree. He dissed Dolan that’s it. And I know all real Knicks fans hate Dolan. Nobody stood up for Dolan cause he got no respect from his players either. And why should anyone? Dolan is an idiot. Of course we've had players much better then Spree before. None even compares him to anybody from the Ewing or Clyde's time. But from his time, the recent Knicks, Spree is the best. I'd take him over gutless Van Bust and Houston any day. One more thing about the papers, the boos were for the Knicks. I'v spoken to people who actually went to the game as opposed to the New York Post reporters who get their news from a little voice in their head. According to the people actually present at the game Spree jesterd towards Dolan and Dolan alone and some to the Knicks bench, which is also good since I hate most people there too. And the fans booed the pathetic excuse of a team we got not Spree. Stop getting all your news from papers who have shown complete lack of credibility again and again and maybe watch a game on TV or talk to somebody who was there.
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12/24/2003  11:53 AM
simrud: Aren't you upset that the knick players didnt get back in spree's face? Dolan is a bad basketball guy, extremely bad and we have every right to go after him and criticize him. But dont u think that only the knicks team fans can go after him? When someone else does it, its not only an offense on Dolan, it an offense on the entire team. They are in essence degrading the knicks. It is ridiculous how bad a shape the knicks are in and hopefully Zeke changes that.

Another thing. He was yelling at bench and no one got in his face about that other than Lon Kruger! Doesn't that annoy you that knick players on the bench let spree yell at them? So in essence, they let themselves and the team pride get spit out. I hate Weatherspoon but he is wearing a knick jersey and then he gets schooled, its the knicks that get schooled. team sport man! it hurts the team more than it hurts the individual player.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12/24/2003 12:04:07]
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12/24/2003  12:08 PM
Posted by simrud:

I don't care about all the bs about the class. The only thing that matters for a bball player is winning, and Spree is a winner, period. I loved what he did to Dolan. I hate dolan and it's a shame Spree never got to choke him By the way he Van Bust to school as the great white dope once again did nothing in the end of the game. As for the rest of this pathetic team, I can't wait till they all are gone one way or another.

I couldn't agree more. Spree is definitely the man. Damn if only those p's we have sitting on the bench had an 1/8th of the energy and passion Spree does, we wouldn't see this team get shown up time and time again. F-Dolan and F-those so called players we call Knicks.
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12/24/2003  12:19 PM
How about self respect? Losing is another thing. I'm going to get used to losing as a knick fan soon. I can live with just losing but losing like cowards is unacceptable and I am sure I. Thomas will see it that way too.
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12/24/2003  12:52 PM
I said my piece on about two other threads regarding my feelings about Spree and last night's game. Dolan had that thrashing coming. I was at the game and if you could see how SOFT they all looked on the bench and Dolan... Damn. Of course the other players are not gonna say anything- they didn't say anything when he screamed on them when he was here, either! Spree is a warrior. Dolan used his peabrain corparate tactics to get him out of NY. Spree exposed Dolan for the puss that he is and showed the world that the Knicks as presently constituted lack nuts altogether.

Simrud and Gucci, I am in total agreement with you both. Say your piece and let the haters hate.
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12/24/2003  2:51 PM
Being a fan of a team means rooting for the logo on the jersey. I root for these pathetic losers to win every game. And I get upset when they loose even thou I know they will. I don't consider the garbage players and coaching on this team being shown for what they are a bad thing. Thomas is evaluating now, so let him see them for what they are. The worse they do the better, cause it means they'll all be gone eventually. It has reached a point when anybody is allowed to diss any Knicks cause they are so bad. I can no longer defend any of the bums on the team. You are absolutely right that this is an insult to the Knicks, but the insult is simply the players, the owner, and the coaching themselves. Somebody pointing out that they are an insult isn’t really an insult in itself. I don't need Spree to tell me that this team is a disgrace. I know it all too well, I have watched them play. I just wan them to be exposed for what they are as much as possible. That does not really add to the insult that this team is to the Knick tradition and fandom. Don't get me wrong I aren’t happy they are what they are, but I do want them all gone.
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12/24/2003  4:10 PM
I don't understand how you all felt SPree disrespected the Fans and the Knicks logo??

If anything it was the players who wear the Orange and Blue that disrespected the logo by not standing up to Spree.

You all forget, but it was Spree energy and emotion that he displayed on the court as a Knick that we all fell in love with...It wasn't his INCONSISTENT Offense. Whether we like to admit it or not he represented what the Knicks USED to be...Tough, emotional & CLASSLESS.....they demanded respect, and if they didn't get it, they TOOK it.

and as far as I can tell...Spree anger was directed to Dolan and ONLY Dolan...and he was right to do that.
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12/24/2003  4:24 PM
Another take on the situation...

We all know the Knicks players are soft, but there may be another reason why some of the players didn't reply to Spree's tirade- maybe they agree with what he was saying. Maybe they just stood by and let Spree say to Dolan what they aren't man enough to do themselves.

In addition to that, some NY players are still friends with him whether they may have said something back (like Shandon) or not.

Just a thought...
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12/24/2003  4:26 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:

and as far as I can tell...Spree anger was directed to Dolan and ONLY Dolan...and he was right to do that.

I thought spree was looking at the bench and yelling twice. Once modway and once later towards the end of the game. I dont know why he was doing that but if he was only yeling at Dolan then I'm fine with that.

I'm still unhappy about the knicks losing though.
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12/24/2003  4:34 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Swishfm3:

and as far as I can tell...Spree anger was directed to Dolan and ONLY Dolan...and he was right to do that.

I thought spree was looking at the bench and yelling twice. Once modway and once later towards the end of the game. I dont know why he was doing that but if he was only yeling at Dolan then I'm fine with that.

I'm still unhappy about the knicks losing though.

Yeah..I believe that was towards Asst. coach Kruger...which was the only person with enuff balls to stand up to him. But he's comments WERE NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS THE FANS
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12/24/2003  5:09 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:

I don't understand how you all felt SPree disrespected the Fans and the Knicks logo??

If anything it was the players who wear the Orange and Blue that disrespected the logo by not standing up to Spree.

You all forget, but it was Spree energy and emotion that he displayed on the court as a Knick that we all fell in love with...It wasn't his INCONSISTENT Offense. Whether we like to admit it or not he represented what the Knicks USED to be...Tough, emotional & CLASSLESS.....they demanded respect, and if they didn't get it, they TOOK it.

and as far as I can tell...Spree anger was directed to Dolan and ONLY Dolan...and he was right to do that.

Preach it Swish! You hit the nail right on the friggin head. Yes!
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12/24/2003  5:14 PM
Spree did it by yelling at the team bench and coach when the coach told him to just play ball and the Knick players disgraced it even further by not sticking up for it. Knick players are more to blame but spree has to take some blame to dont you think? Or do you think he did absolutely nothing to show up the Knicks team?

Yelling at the other teams coach while on the court during a game is kinda like taking a shot at the team IMO.
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12/24/2003  5:26 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Spree did it by yelling at the team bench and coach when the coach told him to just play ball and the Knick players disgraced it even further by not sticking up for it. Knick players are more to blame but spree has to take some blame to dont you think? Or do you think he did absolutely nothing to show up the Knicks team?

Yelling at the other teams coach while on the court during a game is kinda like taking a shot at the team IMO.

Okay, how about this: Whose fault is it for putting the team in a position to be showed up in the first place? Therein lies the solution to the blame issue.
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