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Should the Knicks Pursue Felton?
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TheGame
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11/16/2009  5:36 PM
Now that the Bobcats picked up Acie Law and Jackson, Felton becomes expendable. He is on a one-year deal, so his contract is cap-friendly. I would offer Duhon and $3 million to the Bobcats for Felton. The Bobcats need money, so a cool $3 million might be an incentive for them. We get an upgrade at the point and we can see if Felton might be able to fit in with MDA's offense longterm. Since Walsh f-upped on drafting Jennings, we will need to find a pg to replace Duhon. Obviously, we could just give TD the spot, but since neither Duhon nor Nate are likely to be here next year, we could use another quality pg.
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11/16/2009  6:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2009  6:29 PM
He's no Paul or D. Williams but I think he's a good player. I wouldn't mind him on this team but I'm on the fence. Couple of things: He's got an expiring contract and I'm not sure what he's gonna be looking for to re-up. Putting together a package to get him wouldn't be that easy -- his salary for the year is about $5.5 million. Duhon's right around $6 mil., so that might barely work straight up under the rules, not sure if we could also give them that much cash in addition. I don't think they'd want Du-doo anyway - he wouldn't be an upgrade over Augustin & Law and would do nothing to alleviate the logjam. Say they did agree to take Duhon, I would think they'd also want another substantial asset, maybe a future pick. That'd be tough to do with no 1st rounder next summer... If we did get him, we'd have to pay him otherwise it'd make no sense. We'd have to get permission to talk to him beforehand somehow to see what kind of money he's looking at before pulling the trigger. Would you lock this guy in at David Lee-type money long-term, say in the $7-8 million dollar range? I'm not sure. Tough call. He's probably worth that. And if not Duhon, what else would you give Charlotte? Ideally, Lee or Nate would be perfect, though I'm almost certain neither guy would approve a trade to go there (the team's just not a winner plus Lee and Nate played for Larry before and probably didn't enjoy the experience -- I don't think Larry cared to much for Nate either - didn't he call him a circus act or a sideshow or something??). Milicic doesn't work for them - they're too deep at the 5 with better talent than Darko. Cuttino Mobley's expiring contract??? If they were interested in Chandler as the centerpiece, I would think the Knicks would now have to get something else in addition (Henderson, Derrick Brown, a pick). Not sure what would make this work...Hey even though it's obvious he's no Paul or Deron Williams, he's still a much better player than Duhon, so I see where you're coming from Game. He and Douglas wouldn't be a bad PG tandem to move forward with. Not spectacular, but definitely above average..If we paid this guy instead of Lee, the roster may also be more balanced come next year (with no Lee, Hill definitely plays). Now on the flip side, is Ray Felton that much better than a PG we should be able to pick up late in the draft, say a Jerome Randle, Nic Wise or Sherron Collins?? I'm not sure about that either. Felton's quick and can penetrate but he definitely can't shoot it nearly as well as Randle and Wise can. I would think MDA wants a PG that can shoot it and extend the defense..Felton to the Knicks is a hard decision to make. I'm not sure how to feel about it..
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11/16/2009  6:34 PM
for Duhon & $3 mil why not.
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11/16/2009  6:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2009  6:48 PM
TMS wrote:for Duhon & $3 mil why not.

Can we do that under the rules? Duhon for Felton works pretty much on it's own money-wise. Can we also include that much cash?? I know we can buy picks from other teams for that amount of money, but can we include it in a trade when the salaries already match up?

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11/16/2009  6:49 PM
did felton sign the QO?
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11/16/2009  6:50 PM
we can include up to $3 mil in cash as incentive for teams to pull the trigger on a deal... the cash amount doesn't factor into the salary matching requirements in terms of the cap... similar to how teams can buy picks from other teams for cash considerations.
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11/16/2009  7:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2009  7:02 PM
McK1 wrote:did felton sign the QO?

yeah, QO: http://dimemag.com/2009/09/breaking-news-ray-felton-re-signs-with-charlotte/


i'd still pursue Felton. he can agree to a trade.

though, i bet the bobcats start:

Felton
SJAX
Wallace
Diaw
Chandler

such a better team than we've had on the floor for years now.

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11/16/2009  7:32 PM
TMS wrote:we can include up to $3 mil in cash as incentive for teams to pull the trigger on a deal... the cash amount doesn't factor into the salary matching requirements in terms of the cap... similar to how teams can buy picks from other teams for cash considerations.

OK gotcha. Thanks. So yeah, looks like TheGame was on the money with that proposal. You think Charlotte would do that, Duhon & cash for this guy?

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11/16/2009  7:37 PM
i have no idea... Felton's a pretty good player but seems like he's been in trade rumors for a long time now.
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11/16/2009  8:25 PM
I think it is clear they are not signing him longterm. Felton was playing kind of a psuedo SG role with DJ playing alot of point (and vice versa). With Jackson there, he is probably going to be the starting SG, so they don't need Felton. For $3 million bucks they might be willing to let him go and play somewhere where he might get the longterm deal they are not willing to give. It saves them $2.5 million this season, which is not chump change to a barely making it team. It is a toss up, but I would not give up a pick. If they demand a pick, I would just try to get AI or some other journeyman pg to replace duhon. Is Tinsley still available? He would be better than Duhon by a wide-margin.
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11/16/2009  9:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:
McK1 wrote:did felton sign the QO?

yeah, QO: http://dimemag.com/2009/09/breaking-news-ray-felton-re-signs-with-charlotte/

oh man, so this means he can veto any trade too.

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11/16/2009  9:24 PM
btw orlando charlotte game is tight right now. 2 pt game w 3:25 to go in 4th. i think the sjax trade will pay dividends for charlotte this year.
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11/16/2009  9:47 PM
jimimou wrote:btw orlando charlotte game is tight right now. 2 pt game w 3:25 to go in 4th. i think the sjax trade will pay dividends for charlotte this year.

everyone else is watching Jennings follow up to his double nickel. I wonder what he got going on...?

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11/16/2009  9:49 PM
i think 2-9 a little while ago. ill check and get back to you
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11/16/2009  9:51 PM
ahhthe joys of league pass

jennings line is12 pts 7 assists w 10min left in 4th

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11/17/2009  7:39 PM
didn't Jennings end up blowing up in the 4th?

Felton's nice, but you'd think we'd have to give them some assets and why would you do that if we can't resign him?

You can't give up assets just to get a rental for this year.

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11/17/2009  8:23 PM
No, he's not good.
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11/18/2009  6:30 AM
I started this thread before AI was released. I would much rather have AI, than Felton. The bottomline, we need an upgrade at PG and I don't want to put too much on TD this season. Let TD play about 20-25 minutes a game, and bring in AI to start.
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11/18/2009  8:26 AM
Felton's nothing special. If he comes cheap enough, he'd be good to have on the roster. The way Duhon is playing now, Felton may be an upgrade. But if Duhon comes out of it, I like him better.
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11/18/2009  8:33 AM
Ira wrote:Felton's nothing special. If he comes cheap enough, he'd be good to have on the roster. The way Duhon is playing now, Felton may be an upgrade. But if Duhon comes out of it, I like him better.

Felton is better than Duhon ever was. His only weakness is that he is not a consistent shooter. But he can pass and he will drive and he can push the ball. I just would rather have AI than Felton, but if the choice is Felton or Duhon, then it would be Felton everytime.

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