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Enough is TOO MUCH!!!: Start and play the guys that WANT TO PLAY!!!
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EnySpree
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11/13/2009  10:55 PM
Problems...Chris Duhon and Wilson Chandler.

Energy??? Thats 2 guys that play with none. Spot the excuses for each player. Both guys have given up on the team, the coaches and the fans....there are guys on the roster that wanna play.

Case in point....a rookie....Jordan Hill. He came in and changed the whole game. Its hard for him not to bring energy. He wants to play inside. He wants to compete. He wants to play hard. He wants to run up and down the floor. He should get in this rotation.

There is an idiotic thread about how Al Harrington is a cancer.....if Al is a cancer, what's Chris Duhon??? Al Harrington needs to start already. Wilson Chandler is a myth. That dude is being spoon fed minutes and being babies. Put him on the bench and let him earn the minutes. Show some pride. He has no balls what so ever...if Wilson had a point guard to pass him the ball is ****ing bull****!!!! Stop it!!! Stop with the excuses!!!

Jared is a waste....nuff said.

I heard D'antoni say on more than one occation that he doesn't wanna take the vets out for the new guys cuz then he'd really lose his players. He's gotta forget that. He's gotta play the guys that wanna play. Watching this game as a fan of the game, he has got to forget hurting feelings and play the guys that wanna play.

Bottom line:
Start Toney Douglas
Get Jordan Hill in the rotation
Start Al Harrington
Bench Wilson and Duhon immediately!!!
Find minutes for Eddie Curry and Darko and limit Jared Jefferies all together.

New Starters:
Al Harrington
Gallo
Lee
Toney
Hughes

Rotation guys:
Nate should be the first off the bench
Jordan Hill needs to get in there before Jared.
Wilson needs to figure out what's wrong with his game from the pine.
Platoon in Curry and Darko

Notice no Duhon or Jared???

Stop the bull**** D'antoni!!!!

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TMS
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11/13/2009  11:27 PM
i have to agree w/u caca... Duhon & Chandler brought nothing tonight... the only guys i saw trying out there were Gallo, TD, Harrington, Hughes & Hill... Lee was trying on offense but he has got to be the worst freakin' defensive player i have ever seen ever... i think he makes Travis Knight look like Bill Russell.

Wilson needs to figure some things out & he needs to do it on the bench cuz we can't baby these guys... it takes a dawg to survive in this city... u can see that kid Hill is hungry to mix it up & get in there to show what he can do... Wilson looks like he's a lost puppy at the carnival.

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EnySpree
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11/14/2009  2:18 AM
Chandler's body language is terrible....

People like to compare him to Danny Granger...essentially they are the same player.....the major difference is energy and personality. I don't know what it is with chandler. He doesn't seem like he happy with being a nba player. After he makes a good play, you would of thought he just found out his dog died. He just looks so damn depressed out there. No emotion. Granger shows that emotion. That energy through emotion is what separates role players off the bench from starters. Chandler is a role player no doubt about that.

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11/14/2009  8:24 AM
Chandler for rubio looks great about now.
This game proved it. Team is horrible.
Why is gallo being ignored? He got a double double on his own.
We need passion and hard fouls. That's all.
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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11/14/2009  10:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2009  10:12 AM
TMS wrote:i have to agree w/u caca... Duhon & Chandler brought nothing tonight... the only guys i saw trying out there were Gallo, TD, Harrington, Hughes & Hill... Lee was trying on offense but he has got to be the worst freakin' defensive player i have ever seen ever... i think he makes Travis Knight look like Bill Russell.
Wilson needs to figure some things out & he needs to do it on the bench cuz we can't baby these guys... it takes a dawg to survive in this city... u can see that kid Hill is hungry to mix it up & get in there to show what he can do... Wilson looks like he's a lost puppy at the carnival.

I changing my sig to that "Lee makes Travis Knight look like Bill Russell." LOL.

Honestly, as much as I like Lee due to his hardwork, his total lack of defense really undercuts everything else we are trying to do on defense. Even if TD and Hughes play tough defense and make it hard for a guard to drive or force the guard to drive hard where they are close to being out of control, Lee never steps up and gets the block. If you don't have a center or PF that can do that, then you really have no defense because no perimeter play can keep these guards in front of them all the time. It is the center's job to intimidate and make the opposing guard reluctant to penetrate.

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11/14/2009  11:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2009  11:42 AM
it's pathetic, anytime someone drives to the hole, u just see D Lee backing up & backing up with his jazz hands & not stand his ground to try & draw a charge or anything... doesn't even get a half decent attempt to block or even alter the shot either... it's like there's an invisible force field that emanates out from whoever's got the ball & D Lee is helpless against it.
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11/14/2009  1:18 PM
Chandler was supposed to continue on the path of promise he showed last year.

I'm starting to hate this clown with a passion now.

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11/14/2009  3:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2009  3:15 PM
I have only seen a couple of quarters of the Knicks so far this season, and if it wasn't enough to wake up every morning hopelessly going to to nba.com to see how painful has been the loss of the night before while remembering we don't have a first round pick this season, Im getting absolutely heartbroken by hearing that Chandler is not only playing horrible, but having a bad attitude. I mean, I knew Lee can't play D, JJ sucks, Duhon should be almost out of the NBA, etc... but wasn't expecting Chandler to become a useless player.

EnySpree wrote:I heard D'antoni say on more than one occation that he doesn't wanna take the vets out for the new guys cuz then he'd really lose his players

Lose his players? I wonder if they can play worse than this after D'Antoni loses them!
I'm not really expecting much of our rookies, but whatever, what's the point of playing people the "vets" who are taking us to a 1-10 record. Truth be told, no matter who plays at this point, we will lose a million games, so it's time to look for something that, at least, does not look this embarrasing. Darko HAS to get minutes, and certainly more than 5 per night. We have 3 players on the roster over 6'9, the mighty Jared, Hill and Darko, and incredibly the one getting the most minutes is Jeffries.

So like you said, Stop the bull**** D'antoni!!!!

PD: BTW, Rubio tonight 0 points (2 shot attempts), 10 assists and 6 steals in less than 20 minutes (needless to say his team won by 28).

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11/14/2009  4:14 PM
I wouldn't give up yet on chandler as I consider his injury/recovery a factor in his game much like many players coming back from injury. I agree his body language is not desirable but I also don't see him as starting player regardless more like a backup guy...
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11/14/2009  5:24 PM
EnySpree wrote:Problems...Chris Duhon and Wilson Chandler.

Energy??? Thats 2 guys that play with none. Spot the excuses for each player. Both guys have given up on the team, the coaches and the fans....there are guys on the roster that wanna play.

Case in point....a rookie....Jordan Hill. He came in and changed the whole game. Its hard for him not to bring energy. He wants to play inside. He wants to compete. He wants to play hard. He wants to run up and down the floor. He should get in this rotation.

There is an idiotic thread about how Al Harrington is a cancer.....if Al is a cancer, what's Chris Duhon??? Al Harrington needs to start already. Wilson Chandler is a myth. That dude is being spoon fed minutes and being babies. Put him on the bench and let him earn the minutes. Show some pride. He has no balls what so ever...if Wilson had a point guard to pass him the ball is ****ing bull****!!!! Stop it!!! Stop with the excuses!!!

Jared is a waste....nuff said.

I heard D'antoni say on more than one occation that he doesn't wanna take the vets out for the new guys cuz then he'd really lose his players. He's gotta forget that. He's gotta play the guys that wanna play. Watching this game as a fan of the game, he has got to forget hurting feelings and play the guys that wanna play.

Bottom line:
Start Toney Douglas
Get Jordan Hill in the rotation
Start Al Harrington
Bench Wilson and Duhon immediately!!!
Find minutes for Eddie Curry and Darko and limit Jared Jefferies all together.

New Starters:
Al Harrington
Gallo
Lee
Toney
Hughes

Rotation guys:
Nate should be the first off the bench
Jordan Hill needs to get in there before Jared.
Wilson needs to figure out what's wrong with his game from the pine.
Platoon in Curry and Darko

Notice no Duhon or Jared???

Stop the bull**** D'antoni!!!!

If you can't see that Al Harrington is a VERY BAD team player -- you simply don't understand the concepts of team basketball.

Al absolutely kills team chemistry....personally I wonder if Wilson has some type of issue with one of the veterans on the team and if that is causing his poor play.
I still have faith in Wilson -- just can't tell what's wrong with him other than not working out this summer, still being injured or being emotionally confused on such a cluster **** of a team.

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11/14/2009  5:27 PM
EnySpree wrote:Chandler's body language is terrible....

People like to compare him to Danny Granger...essentially they are the same player.....the major difference is energy and personality. I don't know what it is with chandler. He doesn't seem like he happy with being a nba player. After he makes a good play, you would of thought he just found out his dog died. He just looks so damn depressed out there. No emotion. Granger shows that emotion. That energy through emotion is what separates role players off the bench from starters. Chandler is a role player no doubt about that.

How many times a game (10-15?) do we have to watch D-Lee act like he was confused on a pick & roll or a weakside defensive rotation that leads to an uncontested lay-up or dunk. Lee is the foundation of our defense and our foundation has a giant crack running right down the middle of it.

Lee & Duhon should be benched first until they decide to stop pouting and start defending.

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11/16/2009  8:57 AM
TMS wrote:it's pathetic, anytime someone drives to the hole, u just see D Lee backing up & backing up with his jazz hands & not stand his ground to try & draw a charge or anything... doesn't even get a half decent attempt to block or even alter the shot either... it's like there's an invisible force field that emanates out from whoever's got the ball & D Lee is helpless against it.

My favorite is when someone is driving on him, he has one hand down by the players hip and the other hand he uses to kind of slap at the ball as he jumps on his tippy toes. Then when the player inevitably scores he acts like he's amazed and disgusted. How possibly could someone go over him for a layup when he slapped at the ball like a sissy.

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Enough is TOO MUCH!!!: Start and play the guys that WANT TO PLAY!!!

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