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BRIGGS
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11/13/2009  4:02 PM
Perfect matching salary--


A; Harrington to Dallas for Josh Howard and Dallas number 1 pick in 2010 and 2nd round pick in 2012

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11/13/2009  4:23 PM
I think the Nets have Dallas' 2010 pick from the Harris trade.
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11/13/2009  4:33 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Perfect matching salary--


A; Harrington to Dallas for Josh Howard and Dallas number 1 pick in 2010 and 2nd round pick in 2012

Wow, I like Al (I might be one of the few around here who actually does), but that's a lot to expect to get back for him in a trade no? Josh Howard and 2 picks? I'd pull the trigger on this right now, you really think Cuban would? Howard's playing more at the 2 this year -- they might be looking for more of a traditional 2-guard...Hey maybe though. Good thought....
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11/13/2009  4:49 PM
Finestrg wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Perfect matching salary--


A; Harrington to Dallas for Josh Howard and Dallas number 1 pick in 2010 and 2nd round pick in 2012

Wow, I like Al (I might be one of the few around here who actually does), but that's a lot to expect to get back for him in a trade no? Josh Howard and 2 picks? I'd pull the trigger on this right now, you really think Cuban would? Howard's playing more at the 2 this year -- they might be looking for more of a traditional 2-guard...Hey maybe though. Good thought....

What good is Josh Howard who might be out for the season on a 1 year contract? I wouldn't give my player away--rather Im looking to be opportunistic and offer them a very presentable fill in player at the same position for their injured guy--but it has to have cost. Dallas could be looking at scenario where they are just down an 18 point scorer

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11/13/2009  5:07 PM
I like the idea BRIGGS... what about Al for Howard + Rodrigue Beaubois
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11/13/2009  5:07 PM
Tim Thomas is practicing again so I am not sure if they would feel the need to trade away picks. Cuban has been fleeced before.
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11/13/2009  5:17 PM
They won't be giving us picks in such a trade. Why would we trade Al who is playing for Howard who isn't playing and won't re-sign here. Why would we add 11M in 2010 cap for Josh Howard (team option 2010-2011) or why would we terminate that option and lose him for nothing because he'll sign elsewhere? Dallas can keep Mr. "I don't sing that ****, I'm BLACK!" National Anthem dissing loser.
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11/13/2009  7:11 PM
Cosmic wrote:They won't be giving us picks in such a trade. Why would we trade Al who is playing for Howard who isn't playing and won't re-sign here. Why would we add 11M in 2010 cap for Josh Howard (team option 2010-2011) or why would we terminate that option and lose him for nothing because he'll sign elsewhere? Dallas can keep Mr. "I don't sing that ****, I'm BLACK!" National Anthem dissing loser.

How about he is out indefinitely and looks like he is not coming back this year--so we are offering a very viable 18-20 point scorer with the same salary/ending contract who happens to be healthy to replace him?

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11/13/2009  7:23 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:They won't be giving us picks in such a trade. Why would we trade Al who is playing for Howard who isn't playing and won't re-sign here. Why would we add 11M in 2010 cap for Josh Howard (team option 2010-2011) or why would we terminate that option and lose him for nothing because he'll sign elsewhere? Dallas can keep Mr. "I don't sing that ****, I'm BLACK!" National Anthem dissing loser.

How about he is out indefinitely and looks like he is not coming back this year--so we are offering a very viable 18-20 point scorer with the same salary/ending contract who happens to be healthy to replace him?

Yes, but you have to realize that the Mavs do like him and I'm sure most teams would rather risk Josh Howard over Al Harrington. Al will be seeking what Howard makes and I don't think he's (or either really) are worth that.

Would Cuban overpay for Al? Sure. Will he give up a PICK for him? Doubtful but even if he did what are we going to do with another late 1st round pick? That we HAVE to pay guaranteed money?

I'd honestly rather let Al expire at that point. I don't think it helps even if you view this as liquidating the contract (Al or Josh) and getting a pick as a bonus for doing so. The pick doesn't help us. It won't be a good pick.

So I just don't see the value in it.

I certainly don't view Josh Howard as a player I'd want to keep either. He's gotten lazy and stupid as time has gone on since he got paid. We don't need the headache.

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11/13/2009  9:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2009  10:07 PM
I see where Briggs is going with this -- I didn't realize the severity of Howard's injury and that Mav team is built to win now (Dirk, Kidd and most of those guys ain't gettin' any younger). They might be able to make use of Harrington although between Al & Josh, Howard is much more of a 2-guard so that could be an issue. I guess you move Terry to the 2-spot fulltime and then use Harrington to help keep Dirk fresh for the stretch drive (the idea being they don't have to run Dirk into the ground just to get that team to the playoffs with this move - they get to rest Dirk for stretches and still get to keep a superior offensive player on the floor in Harrington)....Howard currently holds a team option for next year so he's right, he's pretty much a non-issue for us in this deal -- he's injured now, no way we pick up that option for next year and he'll probably want too much money to come back as a FA. So the deal boils down to a 2010 1st and a 2012 2nd for Al. Not bad. We may not be able to do any better. At least it's something. I say compile as may assets (young players to move forward with or picks) as you can get your hands on. Giving Utah a great lottery pick will always bother me, but **** it, we got our own team to worry about building here. That Utah pick really shouldn't concern us anymore. It's not ours and that's that. Nothing we can do about it...Maybe we could milk Cuban for a little more in this deal like maybe the 2010 1st, a 2010 2nd or the rights to Nick Calathes..
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11/13/2009  10:10 PM
ionlyjoinedforthealba wrote:I think the Nets have Dallas' 2010 pick from the Harris trade.

True. I just saw that. Oh well...
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11/13/2009  10:26 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Perfect matching salary--


A; Harrington to Dallas for Josh Howard and Dallas number 1 pick in 2010 and 2nd round pick in 2012

(IN A SLOW RETARDED VOICE) The Point of 2010 is not to add salary but to remove salary. Would U rather have Lebron James or Josh Howard ?
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11/13/2009  10:28 PM
Cookdcokehop wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Perfect matching salary--


A; Harrington to Dallas for Josh Howard and Dallas number 1 pick in 2010 and 2nd round pick in 2012

(IN A SLOW RETARDED VOICE) The Point of 2010 is not to add salary but to remove salary. Would U rather have Lebron James or Josh Howard ?

Well, Howard 2010-2011 is a team option so he is essentially a 2010 contract if you want him to be.

Yet, we do add salary with BRIGGS idea. Late 1st round pick = guaranteed salary. What's the point of adding that? Our entire team is filled with role players and backups. We need more? I don't think so.

We're better off letting Al expire unless the Rockets go stupid and trade us TMac(2010) for Al and Eddy.

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11/13/2009  10:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2009  10:57 PM
Cosmic wrote:
Cookdcokehop wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Perfect matching salary--


A; Harrington to Dallas for Josh Howard and Dallas number 1 pick in 2010 and 2nd round pick in 2012

(IN A SLOW RETARDED VOICE) The Point of 2010 is not to add salary but to remove salary. Would U rather have Lebron James or Josh Howard ?

Well, Howard 2010-2011 is a team option so he is essentially a 2010 contract if you want him to be.

Yet, we do add salary with BRIGGS idea. Late 1st round pick = guaranteed salary. What's the point of adding that? Our entire team is filled with role players and backups. We need more? I don't think so.

We're better off letting Al expire unless the Rockets go stupid and trade us TMac(2010) for Al and Eddy.

I don't buy that. Adding a few draft picks on rookie contracts is negligible not to mention a good idea. Every year there are players discovered in the lower part of the draft. EVERY YEAR. Next summer will be no different. One of the guy's we're talking about here, Josh Howard, was drafted 30th wasn't he? This dude turned out to be a pretty good player no?

Come on Cos - you know damn well we're gonna have a whole roster to fill out here next season. If we renounce everyone, we'll have in the vicinity of $23, 24 million bucks to spend with $15, 16 hopefully going to a max player. With that $8 mil. left over we could then go to a 2nd tier FA or disperse it between a few lower salary vets and/or rookies selected in the draft (I might stop there - not sure if using the mid-level to go over the cap will be smart unless there's a no-brainer available that makes sense. Might make more sense to stop there to ensure max. flexibility in 2011). What's the problem with that plan? We're gonna have a roster to fill out here. If they do their homework on this draft they can get decent players low in the 1st round and in the 2nd round. Rotation players. No question..
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11/13/2009  10:56 PM
If we cannot dump Jeffries and/or Curry we are in trouble cap wise next summer once we get our one max player. Every million counts now. Every one.

Besides, what do you expect to get with a late 1st rounder? Franchise player? 6th Man? Talk about hit or miss...much more miss.

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