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Elite
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11/9/2009  11:35 PM
Our best lineup has been

Douglas
Hughes
Gallo
Harrington
Lee

You ever notice when that team is on the floor we make a run and get back in the game? Why not start this lineup????

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JohnWallace44
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11/9/2009  11:41 PM
Another Chandler hater huh?

How many times has that lineup been on the floor? Give Douglas a few more minutes and opposing teams a few more games to scheme against him before we start assuming what the best lineup is around him.

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11/10/2009  12:56 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Another Chandler hater huh?

How many times has that lineup been on the floor? Give Douglas a few more minutes and opposing teams a few more games to scheme against him before we start assuming what the best lineup is around him.

That is true, but his energy and defence are exactly what we need at the start of the game. I don't think he should be playing 40 minutes or anything silly like that, but we need to shake things up with the starting lineup as it is obvious what we are putting out there to start the game just isn't cutting it.

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11/10/2009  1:08 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Another Chandler hater huh?

How many times has that lineup been on the floor? Give Douglas a few more minutes and opposing teams a few more games to scheme against him before we start assuming what the best lineup is around him.

you are ridiculous JohnWallace....benching Wilson makes Elite a Chandler hater? You can't imagine a guy playing well. The guy just has to play well. Wilson hasn't done anything to warrent a start. Al Harrington is the leading scorer and is coming off the bench in order to baby Wilson...not cool.

D'antoni talks about playing the best 5...I think Elite hit the nail on the head.

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11/10/2009  2:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/10/2009  2:40 AM
The problem with the lineup of Douglas, Hughes, Gallo, Harrington, and Lee is that the frontcourt has one player who can play okay defense in Harrington.

The question here is not Chandler Vs. Gallinari. Gallinari is not a small forward. The question is Harrington Vs. Gallinari. Harrington was benched for Gallinari, which was a big mistake. Gallinari is a perimeter PF or maybe even a center like Okur, but he needs to get his muscle going.

As I predicted in the hang your ass thread, D'Antoni is doing everything he can to prove Gallinari is worth the pick at #6. But why? Why not let the kid get the minutes he earns behind Harrington who is better than him at this time? Maybe steal a couple of Lee's minutes too? The way D'Antoni is playing him is to the detriment of Gallinari and the team. He is making Gallinari "The Man" before he pays some dues. He should be bringing him along carefully. D'Antoni is throwing this kid to the wolves. More teams are going to body up on him at the line and force him to put the ball on the floor and he is much less effective at that style at this moment. As the losses mount Gallinari becomes the goat and New York destroys the confidence of yet another promising young player.

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The starting lineup should be Douglas(Yeah!), Hughes (Yuck!), Chandler (Uhg!), Harrington (Bleh.), and Lee(Eh.). Bring Gallinari off the bench as the shooting specialist. He should have to win the spot from Harrington, not have it handed to him over a player who is obviously better at this point. Gallinari can't play any D, he doesn't grab boards and he is an okay passer. At least Harrington will occasionally go to the hole with some ferocity and grab some boards, and he isn't a total matador on defense. If Curry's fat ass ever makes it to the court, then they may even have an inside/outside game with he and Gallinari.

The rebounding deficiency of Gallinari is partly D'Antoni's fault. Gallinari can really shoot. We all get it. But at 6'11" you gotta get this kid near the basket every now and then so he can grab a board, hit a layup or a short-range shot, etc. Develop his game more so he isn't a one-trick pony. If the Knicks wanted a player strictly to gun 3 pointers, there is a whole laundry list of players that we could have targeted who are proven at that 1 skill. D'Antoni has to bring more out of Gallinari than to just have him jack 3s and long range 2s.

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Anyway, this season is a lost cause no matter what. Last season I had guys telling me they would rather have Duhon than Jason Kidd! . The fact is Duhon did not "burn out" last season, he simply became the player he has always been after playing better than he ever had before for a few months. A blip on the radar. Now we see the real Duhon. It isn't his fault. He is what he is. A backup. No need to shred him. Instead, shred D'Antoni for handing the keys to him and falsely pumping him up.

And if D'Antoni wants to start Gallinari, then I want to see Douglas start and Hill get 20+ minutes per game. I'd rather lose embarrassingly while playing the youth than lose embarrassingly while playing a weird mix of players who are already thinking about where they are playing next season. That is just about the same thing I wrote in the LB season. The more things change, the more they stay the same...

P.S. I don't like D'Antoni.


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11/10/2009  2:39 AM
How did Lee get into best lineup when his +- has been just atrocious?
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11/10/2009  2:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/10/2009  2:41 AM
kam77 wrote:How did Lee get into best lineup when his +- has been just atrocious?

Who is going to rebound and make layups? Harrington is doing his scoring from everywhere thing and Gallinari can't play Lee's game.

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11/10/2009  3:52 AM
Harrington can score but he can't play team ball :)
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11/10/2009  5:02 AM
Elite wrote:Our best lineup has been

Douglas
Hughes
Gallo
Harrington
Lee

You ever notice when that team is on the floor we make a run and get back in the game? Why not start this lineup????

As others noted Gallinari should come off the bench. Chandler had 17 on some nice work and seems to hustle plus more frontcourt presence.

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11/10/2009  9:01 AM
EnySpree wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Another Chandler hater huh?

How many times has that lineup been on the floor? Give Douglas a few more minutes and opposing teams a few more games to scheme against him before we start assuming what the best lineup is around him.

you are ridiculous JohnWallace....benching Wilson makes Elite a Chandler hater? You can't imagine a guy playing well. The guy just has to play well. Wilson hasn't done anything to warrent a start. Al Harrington is the leading scorer and is coming off the bench in order to baby Wilson...not cool.

D'antoni talks about playing the best 5...I think Elite hit the nail on the head.

Wilson: 8-15, 17 points, 10 boards
Harrington: 4-14, 11 points, 2 boards

You're right. My mistake. Looks like a good time to bench the kid.

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11/10/2009  10:58 AM
I agree with John on this. I like what I see from Douglas and I do think he should get a lot of playing time. But let's see a few more good games from him before we declare him the savior.
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11/10/2009  11:56 AM
Ira wrote:I agree with John on this. I like what I see from Douglas and I do think he should get a lot of playing time. But let's see a few more good games from him before we declare him the savior.

This team needs stability. Players like Gallo have to show that they can be counted on for something night in and night out. No doubt Douglas will get the majority of minutes at PG until he fails. These guys have to find roles though. You can tell none of them believe in eachother out there and for good reason so far.

Al is great to bring off the bench because he can sub in for several players. Its not keeping him from scoring to come off the bench and he's not a great defender at this point.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/10/2009  12:01 PM
they need to hang out and like, bond, or something, man.
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11/10/2009  1:31 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Another Chandler hater huh?

How many times has that lineup been on the floor? Give Douglas a few more minutes and opposing teams a few more games to scheme against him before we start assuming what the best lineup is around him.

you are ridiculous JohnWallace....benching Wilson makes Elite a Chandler hater? You can't imagine a guy playing well. The guy just has to play well. Wilson hasn't done anything to warrent a start. Al Harrington is the leading scorer and is coming off the bench in order to baby Wilson...not cool.

D'antoni talks about playing the best 5...I think Elite hit the nail on the head.

Wilson: 8-15, 17 points, 10 boards
Harrington: 4-14, 11 points, 2 boards

You're right. My mistake. Looks like a good time to bench the kid.


Last Night was Wilson's first good statistical game of the season, smarty....where were you when Al Harrington dropped a Knick record 42 points off the bench???

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11/11/2009  10:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2009  10:30 AM
EnySpree wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Another Chandler hater huh?

How many times has that lineup been on the floor? Give Douglas a few more minutes and opposing teams a few more games to scheme against him before we start assuming what the best lineup is around him.

you are ridiculous JohnWallace....benching Wilson makes Elite a Chandler hater? You can't imagine a guy playing well. The guy just has to play well. Wilson hasn't done anything to warrent a start. Al Harrington is the leading scorer and is coming off the bench in order to baby Wilson...not cool.

D'antoni talks about playing the best 5...I think Elite hit the nail on the head.

Wilson: 8-15, 17 points, 10 boards
Harrington: 4-14, 11 points, 2 boards

You're right. My mistake. Looks like a good time to bench the kid.


Last Night was Wilson's first good statistical game of the season, smarty....where were you when Al Harrington dropped a Knick record 42 points off the bench???

Yeah...oddly enough it was also the night D'Antoni put Gallo in the starting lineup and had Harrington as the 6th man. Gallo had like a streak of threes in the 3rd quarter for 20+ and Harrington gets 42.

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11/11/2009  10:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2009  10:58 AM
Douglas
Hughes
Gallo
Lee
Curry

By January this will be the most potent Knicks lineup we can put on the court.

I would switch out Gallo for Harrington if he learns how to pass the ball sometimes.

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11/11/2009  11:03 AM
thejerk wrote:Douglas
Hughes
Gallo
Lee
Curry

By January this will be the most potent Knicks lineup we can put on the court.

I would switch out Gallo for Harrington if he learns how to pass the ball sometimes.

But he cannot learn this, it is too late. Harrington needs to be shipped out, asap.

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