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Ramon Sessions - our future point guard (almost)
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Markji
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11/4/2009  8:18 AM
For everyone who is dumping on Walsh for not drafting a certain player or for not signing a certain player you happen to like ....well how many people wanted Walsh to give Sessions a full MLE contract. Or at least $4 to $4.5 million/yr for 4 or 5 years. So far it looks like a good move that Walsh didn't give Sessions an extended contract and take up our cap space for 2010 and 2011.

Sessions after 4 games with Minnesota, a team whose record is 1 - 3
24:23 min/game
6ppg
3pt% = 0%
FT% = 40%
Asst/game = 2.8
TO = 1
Steals = .5

He doesn't look like our savior. But 4 games is too early to evaluate Sessions. Likewise it is too early to evaluate Jennings, DeRozen, Hill, Toney D; or any of the others. I am disappointed with Hill as I have stated since Summer League game 1. However, I will wait on him until next year when it really counts.

How would Sessions fit in on our team when he shoots 0% from 3 pt (he has taken only 3 shots from 3 pt range in 4 games) when our PF take more shots than him?

Walsh is slow and methodical - he doesn't fit the mentality of doing things in a NY minute but he is getting things done. Again, with Walsh, we'll have to wait (yawn) and see.

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11/4/2009  10:30 AM
I had been paying attention to his stats so far this season too. Makes me feel better about Donnie not taking that chance.
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11/4/2009  10:35 AM
I think one of the best traits that the Godfather has is his patience. He played the DLee and Nate situation perfectly. He did not overpay for Sessions. TD looks like a very good player and is a great value at where he was picked.

Hill...I am still hoping. Everyone had Hill as a lottery pick in the mock drafts so you can't fault Donnie when everyone else seemed to agree during the draft.

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11/4/2009  10:38 AM
Sessions has no shot and doesn't show any signs of being able to develop one. He wouldn't be a good fit here. The maximum mle would have been ridiculous. Hardly anyone else wanted him. Sometimes the best trades (or signings) are the ones you don't make.
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11/4/2009  10:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2009  10:42 AM
you can fault donnie for whiffing on 2 picks. knicks had the least talent in the league last year, and had TWO first round draft selections, and BOTH are getting DNP-CDs with largely the same roster intact. hill can't get time in THIS front court, you've honestly got to be kidding me. jennings is PERFECT for this offense, i don't care about ramon sessions, jennings was, is, and will be a better pick than jordan hill. the guy doesn't seem to give a damn, watch him on the bench during games.

also, duhon is playing, what, like 45 minutes a game. he's going to burn out again by the all-star break, and the knicks are going to have a top-5 pick which they are going to send utah. (thanks isiah, but regardless). we don't even have a backup pointguard right now, the one walsh picked sits on the bench in his warmups next to hill, who is a bust. i dont think its too early, the guy was a mess in summer league, he cant get time on THIS team with really no rebounders other than david lee. jennings has been a stud in summer league, a stud so far this season, he's everything the knicks needed in a point guard (deep 3 point range, excellent passer, good ball-handler, can play up-tempo).

bad pick, no doubt about it.

and, to go back to an earlier point, duhon is playing at an absurd pace, just like last year. all you need to do is google "chris duhon partying girls" to see that he doesn't take great care of himself, he will be on the injured reserve by february at the rate he's playing at. d'antoni played him 50 minutes the other night against the bobcats!!! toney D couldn't get in just to spell him at the end of quarters! pathetic drafting by walsh. jennings and dejuan blair could be on this team contributing right now. gallinari, whatever, the guy can shoot i will still concede that is up in the air, i think he can be a good scorer, obviously guys like randolph and lopez were available, at least gallo looks like he can play. hill, no dice, i honestly don't think the guys got any skill or heart and jennings CAN play.

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11/4/2009  10:41 AM
Sessions was more of an annoyance because every day there was a story about how close we were to signing him and if the stories were true then it seemed unprofessional the way it was going down. In reality it was probably just the press making stuff up.

He was great against us. That's about all we know. I doubt that Sessions is going to keep playing this bad and its not like he's killing the cap if he ends up being a 25 min a game player. They got good value for him even if he doesn't end up being all-world.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/4/2009  10:53 AM
Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.
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11/4/2009  11:04 AM
BigSm00th wrote:also, duhon is playing, what, like 45 minutes a game. he's going to burn out again by the all-star break, and the knicks are going to have a top-5 pick which they are going to send utah.

By the looks of it, Duhon is burned out already.

Donnie apparently knew we had a PG problem with the way he flirted with every PG in the world during the Summer and I think its apparent that we don't have a natural two-guard either.

Derozan - Holiday - Jennings - Teague - Williams

All these guys would have been interesting back-court picks.

I don't know... these "upside" bigs that get drafted, what do they ever do for the franchises that pick them? J.O'Neal, Patty O'Bryant, Korolev, Darko... It's nice to say that they'll be great 5 years down the road, but can the franchise actually sustain for that long? Usually they end up being sent elsewhere before they develop.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/4/2009  11:42 AM
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo at least showed potential in summer league. You know, something to hang your hat on to let you know the cat can play and he belongs. What has Hill shown? Where is the cause for optimism?

But I guess I can just wait on the day that Walsh will dip into his bag of Metamucil and pull out some fairy dust that he will sprinkle on Hill to give his ass some game.

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11/4/2009  1:25 PM
I think it was a horrible mistake not signing Sessions to really what amounts to a cap friendly contract. Just because you don't shoot a good long ball --doesn't mean you can't play a good 1 guard. Kurt Rambis has praised Sessions and his PT has started to pick up. Remember he was kind of half heatedly thrown in there late and the team has suffered major losses--no KL and Jefferson is a shell of himself right now. So when you start taking away big options--harder to run a club to win.
I think he wouldve been a substantial upgrade and played very well here and if they could have it over[again] my bet is they wouldve kept the money for Douglas and paid Sessions with a frontloaded 16mm$. Dantoni has tried to play TD but he is not there yet and who knows if he is anything more than a Royel Ivey type.
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11/4/2009  2:33 PM
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo was a bust before ever playing too... it's the same ol' nonsense being regurgitated every year... everyone we draft sucks & everyone other people draft is the second coming of Christ.

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11/4/2009  2:35 PM
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo was a bust before ever playing too... it's the same ol' nonsense being regurgitated every year... everyone we draft sucks & everyone other people draft is the second coming of Christ.

Gallos is a bust. All he does is bust 3 pointers in people's eyes. 3 pointers are worthless

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11/4/2009  3:06 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo was a bust before ever playing too... it's the same ol' nonsense being regurgitated every year... everyone we draft sucks & everyone other people draft is the second coming of Christ.

Gallos is a bust. All he does is bust 3 pointers in people's eyes. 3 pointers are worthless


You got me thinkin, Bip. If they want to make the game more exciting, they should also give an extra point for dunks. Or maybe just dunks with flair.

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11/4/2009  3:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2009  3:24 PM
Panos wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo was a bust before ever playing too... it's the same ol' nonsense being regurgitated every year... everyone we draft sucks & everyone other people draft is the second coming of Christ.

Gallos is a bust. All he does is bust 3 pointers in people's eyes. 3 pointers are worthless


You got me thinkin, Bip. If they want to make the game more exciting, they should also give an extra point for dunks. Or maybe just dunks with flair.

What is exiting about 7-fit man putting the ball into the basket without even leaving the ground?
The fact that he actually managed to push the ball through?

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11/4/2009  3:27 PM
Panos wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo was a bust before ever playing too... it's the same ol' nonsense being regurgitated every year... everyone we draft sucks & everyone other people draft is the second coming of Christ.

Gallos is a bust. All he does is bust 3 pointers in people's eyes. 3 pointers are worthless


You got me thinkin, Bip. If they want to make the game more exciting, they should also give an extra point for dunks. Or maybe just dunks with flair.

Extra flair should definitely be worth four points. I mean, if a man grabs his nizzuts while 3 feet in the air how is that not worth 4 points

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11/4/2009  3:29 PM
arkrud wrote:
Panos wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo was a bust before ever playing too... it's the same ol' nonsense being regurgitated every year... everyone we draft sucks & everyone other people draft is the second coming of Christ.

Gallos is a bust. All he does is bust 3 pointers in people's eyes. 3 pointers are worthless


You got me thinkin, Bip. If they want to make the game more exciting, they should also give an extra point for dunks. Or maybe just dunks with flair.

What is exiting about 7-fit man putting the ball into the basket without even leaving the ground?
The fact that he actually managed to push the ball through?


Agreed....It is the most overrated skill in all of sports. When Nate does it I'm impressed. When all these 6-6 and above guys do it, there is nothing impressive about it.

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11/4/2009  4:42 PM
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo was a bust before ever playing too... it's the same ol' nonsense being regurgitated every year... everyone we draft sucks & everyone other people draft is the second coming of Christ.


Why is he not even playing? He can't beat out JJ Slim.

I think we should be able to have a discussion about the merits of a draft pick without this kind of hyperbole mudding up the arguments.

For instance, an argument that picking Eric Gordon (Isiah Thomas' choice) or Brook Lopez over Gallo would have been better use of that pick has some evidence to support it, and doesn't mean that the person making that argument is saying Gallo is a bust or Lopez is the second coming. Its just basketball.

When he became GM here Walsh’s very best tools for improving the team in the short timeline he gave himself were his two lottery picks. He said so himself. He needed to hit home runs with those picks. Instead his performance in the draft has been pedestrian. He picked Gallo after the team had picked 4 SF’s in the previous 5 drafts claiming that the kid could play the four, he whiffed on his chance to move up in this draft to take the pick that would have gotten us Stephen Curry, then compounded that mistake by taking a project big man with no stand-out skills while passing on a plethora of much needed point guards.

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11/4/2009  4:59 PM
RemBee76 wrote:
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo was a bust before ever playing too... it's the same ol' nonsense being regurgitated every year... everyone we draft sucks & everyone other people draft is the second coming of Christ.

For instance, an argument that picking Eric Gordon (Isiah Thomas' choice) or Brook Lopez over Gallo would have been better use of that pick has some evidence to support it, and doesn't mean that the person making that argument is saying Gallo is a bust or Lopez is the second coming. Its just basketball.

Rembee I would agree with your statement above, but TMS is not talking about these people. He's talking about those people that literally called Gallo a bust, and there were many. They all have disappeared now as his skills become more obvious but there were many.

I personally have no problems with guys that wanted Gordon over Gallo. What I had a problem with last year was hearing guys say we whiffed on Gallo when the guy did not even have a chance to show his skills. We still don't know what he'll turn out to be. He may be a star in the making or he may level out and just be a jumpshooter. But lamenting the pick this early to me doesn't make sense.

I did not want Hill and have seen nothing from him so far. I would have killed to trade up or draft Derozan or Jennings. I'm sensing strongly that we missed out on a golden opportunity but...........Hill is here now. Guys do develop. Guys do come from being confused to being good players. You aren't going to get a star in every draft. So I will bide my time and wait like I waited and am still waiting for Gallo.

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11/4/2009  5:11 PM
i think sessions would have been a fit here. this offense needs a guard who can penetrate and sessions is such a guard. he's not the ideal guard, but then again neither is duhon.

it would have been nice to get stephen curry or brandon jennings in the draft. though i am not sold either are pure point guards.

danilo is a playmaker though, which is a nice develop and something this team SORELY needs. he needs to get the ball more at the top of the key, which i'm sure will happen more often.

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11/4/2009  5:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2009  5:18 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
RemBee76 wrote:
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Gallo was bust after playing three games now Hill is a bust without even playing? You guys amaze me.

Gallo was a bust before ever playing too... it's the same ol' nonsense being regurgitated every year... everyone we draft sucks & everyone other people draft is the second coming of Christ.

For instance, an argument that picking Eric Gordon (Isiah Thomas' choice) or Brook Lopez over Gallo would have been better use of that pick has some evidence to support it, and doesn't mean that the person making that argument is saying Gallo is a bust or Lopez is the second coming. Its just basketball.

Rembee I would agree with your statement above, but TMS is not talking about these people. He's talking about those people that literally called Gallo a bust, and there were many. They all have disappeared now as his skills become more obvious but there were many.

I personally have no problems with guys that wanted Gordon over Gallo. What I had a problem with last year was hearing guys say we whiffed on Gallo when the guy did not even have a chance to show his skills. We still don't know what he'll turn out to be. He may be a star in the making or he may level out and just be a jumpshooter. But lamenting the pick this early to me doesn't make sense.

I did not want Hill and have seen nothing from him so far. I would have killed to trade up or draft Derozan or Jennings. I'm sensing strongly that we missed out on a golden opportunity but...........Hill is here now. Guys do develop. Guys do come from being confused to being good players. You aren't going to get a star in every draft. So I will bide my time and wait like I waited and am still waiting for Gallo.

Bip, thanks for saving me the effort.

& for the record, I wanted Derozan & was the most vocal advocate on these forums for drafting him for the past year & a half... but i didn't automatically assume Jordan Hill was a bust just because we didn't take my guy... if some of u prefer to have taken a different player than Gallo, that's ur right, but don't go saying Gallo's a bust before u even see him play, that's just ignorant & a ridiculously narrow minded point of view to take... same goes for Jordan Hill.

i've actually watched Jordan Hill play several times in college & i'm telling u now i would be highly shocked if he turned out to be a bust... i think he's gonna be a very good player when it's all said & done & even tho i'd still rather have Derozan right now i'm not gonna dismiss Hill as a bust just because he's not seeing minutes right now over Jared Fishlips... unless u'r practicing w/these guys on a daily basis & know exactly what MDA's reasoning is behind not letting Hill see minutes right now, neither do any of you, so don't assume it's because the guy stinks.

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