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nykfan4ever
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12/22/2003  2:15 PM
Can someone post it.
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12/22/2003  2:29 PM
yeah the one where they suggest what Isiah can do to get us back on track.
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12/22/2003  2:44 PM
Can Isiah fix the Knicks?
By Chad Ford


Somewhere Scott Layden is wandering the streets of New York. I picture him sitting on a curb in an alleyway just off Times Square. His coat is frayed, the fingers of his gloves are worn away, that tattered FDNY hat still is perched upon his head.

He's alone. He was always alone. He's mumbling to himself, still caught up in delusions of grandeur about players and deals gone wrong.

Shandon Anderson is an All-Star. ... Chris Bosh for Kurt Thomas sounds like a fair deal to me. ... Dikembe Mutombo is the most athletic 87-year-old I've ever seen. ... You think Kobe would play in New York for free? ... Clarence Weatherspoon is the best 6-foot-4 power forward in the league. ... How about a former Heisman trophy winner for an All-Star center?


Layden's problems in New York have been well documented. Before taking the job with the Knicks he was the Jazz's wunderkind, a brilliant strategist with an eye for mining diamonds in the rough. In New York, he was a reclusive, stoic leader who shunned the spotlight and became obsessed with paying those same diamonds in the rough (many with ties to Utah -- Anderson, Howard Eisley, Keith Van Horn, Michael Doleac) millions more than they were worth. New York became the place where all bad contracts went to die. It was only a matter of time before Layden went out to pasture with them.

Layden was fired as the president of the Knicks on Friday, replaced by the only executive in the league that possibly has a more tarnished rep -- Isiah Thomas.

That has to hurt.

"He would have been the last human being on earth that I thought would've gotten that job," one league executive told Insider. "That's the premiere GM job in the NBA, the team is a mess, and the Knicks need someone with experience to get them through this. Isiah Thomas isn't that guy."

Pacers president Donnie Walsh, who hired Thomas to coach the Pacers three years ago, disagrees.


"I think he'll do fine," Walsh told Insider. "He's a bright guy. That he coached for three years will help him with that job. It helps him fill in some of the blanks. It takes more than skills and playing ability to make a team. There are other intangibles there to be successful. It will help him down the road."

Can Thomas handle the intense media scrutiny that he'll come under in New York?

"He's made for it," Walsh said. "He's a very articulate, bright guy. He was unbelievable with the press. He'll just try to make sure they're not critical of them."

Even if that is the case, you have to wonder, can Thomas turn the Knicks around? The team has the second-highest payroll in the NBA, a ton of bad contracts, an aging roster, few young players to build around, and an embattled coach. How can Thomas, or anyone for that matter, fix the Knicks' problems?

Here at Insider, we're always willing to help. Layden would never take our advice. What about Isiah? After talking things over with a few league executives, Insider breaks down five things Thomas needs to do to fix the Knicks.



1. Fire Don Chaney, just don't hire Isiah. Layden loved Chaney to the point that he refused to let him go, even when management started pushing. The Knicks need a high-profile, respected head coach to steer the ship. Doc Rivers, Doug Collins and George Karl are all available, though each has indicated he'd prefer to wait until next summer to take a head coaching job. For the time being, a Knicks assistant may have to do. Whatever, the case, there is one rule that can't be broken -- Isiah must resist the urge to hire himself. He's still bitter about his firing in Indiana and probably feels like he has more to prove as a coach. Handling GM and coaching duties are almost impossible -- it even wore down Pat Riley, eventually. There is too much to do in the Knicks' front office. Thomas can't be an effective GM and coach at the same time. The Knicks need more help in the front office than they do on the bench. Let someone else lighten the load.

2. Trade Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. Those two have been on the trading block for years, but Layden could never find the perfect deal to pull the trigger. "Scott was always trying to hit a home run with every trade," one GM told Insider. "You can't always do that. You've got to be willing to take risks, stick your neck out a little bit. Isiah needs to shake things up. Take a few risks. As long as he doesn't put himself in a worse cap situation, I'd do it." What can the Knicks get for Thomas and Ward? A combo of Ward and Thomas for say Kwame Brown and Christian Laettner would give the Wizards some much-needed toughness and cap flexibility now and give the Knicks a young talent in Brown to start building around.

3. Dump Antonio McDyess. The team is 3-8 since McDyess returned -- clearly he isn't a savior. He is getting healthier and more effective, but Isiah Thomas has to realize that the Knicks can't afford to pay McDyess this summer when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. McDyess is too fragile and too old to build around. If he's going to be gone this summer anyway, why not try to shake things up now? The Sonics need low-post scoring, and they need cap room. If the Knicks were willing to take a few big contracts -- like Vitaly Potapenko and Jerome James -- off their hands, would the Sonics be willing to include Ronald Murray?

4. Shop Allan Houston. If we've learned one thing over the past few years it's that no one, no matter how large the contract, is untradeable. Layden paid Houston twice the market rate to re-up in New York. While Houston is earning his money at the moment, when he's 36 and earning $20 million a year, his contract is going to kill the team. The Knicks would have to take back some less-talented players with serious cap problems in order to move Houston, but as long as the deals are shorter, it'd be worth the short-term hit.

5. Pull a page from Donnie Walsh's handbook. Layden's inability to communicate with the media often made him the butt of their criticism. Everyone is going to be skeptical of Thomas' ability to turn things around in New York. If he's going to survive, he'll have to make some friends. Walsh is revered by most writers because he always returns calls and does what he can to help with stories. If Thomas is going to survive a few lean years in New York, he's going to have to choose his friends wisely. He doesn't want the media calling for his head six months into this job. The Knicks are a three- to four-year rebuilding project.
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12/22/2003  3:03 PM
One more item that they should have mentioned in that article: trade Keith Van Horn. I believe that Zeke will make this team tough again. Trading that cancer will definitely be a move in that right direction.

I will go on record and say that I got Isaiah's back. I hope he does well and since he has something to prove with all the opposing opinions regarding his past exec experiance, it should be more incentive for him to want to prove the nay-sayers wrong. He has a clean slate in my book, and for the first time in a long time, I feel that we can actually get things going in the right direction.

The next heads to roll will be Chaney and Mills. Now that Osama Bin LayDown has been removed, it's time to get the rest of that regime outta there. I don't see Isaiah doing the combo thing as HC & GM, but instead hiring a HC that he can get along with or has history with (like Brendan Malone).

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 12/22/2003 15:57:15]
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12/22/2003  3:15 PM
True Hardcore....I have faith in Zeke too and I think things will start to turn around. It is going to take some time though, but with fresh blood who seem to be interested in fixing things rather then delaying the inevitable - I can wait a little for a better product. I am excited to find out where this team is going now.
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12/22/2003  3:24 PM
osama Bin layden... LOL..

anyway, I would like to see collins as coach, he is a good coach, who gets his players to listen to him. Isaih, at the least may be interested in letting the younger players play, this means taking sweetney and Lampe off IR which is absolutely assinine. Put spoon and Othella on IR or trade them, either way this mess needs to be addressed now!!
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12/22/2003  3:28 PM
He's alone. He was always alone. He's mumbling to himself, still caught up in delusions of grandeur about players and deals gone wrong.

Shandon Anderson is an All-Star. ... Chris Bosh for Kurt Thomas sounds like a fair deal to me. ... Dikembe Mutombo is the most athletic 87-year-old I've ever seen. ... You think Kobe would play in New York for free? ... Clarence Weatherspoon is the best 6-foot-4 power forward in the league. ... How about a former Heisman trophy winner for an All-Star center?

ROFL.
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12/22/2003  3:30 PM
Posted by tkf:

I would like to see collins as coach, he is a good coach, who gets his players to listen to him.

That's not how it went down in Washington.
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12/22/2003  4:17 PM
I agree abot not resigning McDyess. He is way to brittle to bild around him. We need to clear some cap space fast. Their salary is at $88.9 million this year, double of the cap limit!
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12/22/2003  4:42 PM
I will go on record and say that I got Isaiah's back.

You his dog also? What inflated mindset must you be thinking? Dolan got you good, he rid of Layden, now your a full card carrying supporter willing to offer your cash to that scam of a team

In the enthusiasm to replace Layden, gotta ask youself is thomas the guy?

What qualifies him to turn around the team?

The problems are still there.

I can't say whom as I have not thought about the GM spot, but I hope this is not another retread name whom dolan became enarmored with. Like Stienbrenner used to do.

When he found a wonderkid like Cashman, build with youth, the yankees fortunes changed.

Laydog was supposed to be that kind of talent, but Finding young players and giving them a chance cannot happen if you go with bloated vets. And lets face it, that gig started way before laydog came to power. Its never been clear whom invented the roster picking, but its been around for 20 years! yeah, the knicks got Ewing, but messed up every single thing for 20 years. ANd in the end they blew that up. My point, ding dong, the Witch is dead, but its the Wizard that pulls the strings.

What I pleaded for was a change of philosphy. SOme of you just want a change of face. If the thinking changes, so will the methoed of decision, and thus the result.

You got his back? What in gods name you talking about. Zeke will tweek the team, but unless there is a change in thinking, will we continue the same path.

Even Chad ford is factually incorrect giving credit to Eisley and Andersons contract to Laydog. They were signed by Houstan and traded for Glen Rice. Laydog needed to rid of Rice. Not saying it was a good trade, but we were in a bad situatiion to begin.

I am not a pro layden inverdebrate. I have taken the time to evaluate the deals that were made and why they were made at THAT TIME. Its easy to play monday morning QB and react to the outcome.

To that I would say that if Laydog was unable to break with a bad philosphy which may be his, or given to him by Dolan, then he must go. Isiah is here, now we gotta hope Dolans lets him keep his balls!

Layden bashing was too easy, you guys miss the root of the problem.

How can you feel good about anything quite yet? If zeke played the point for us,then Perhaps!

He can have my back, but I want those bloated phuckers off the team, thomas, ward, traded! MIlos bought in, Sweet given minutes, let brendon malone (isiahs assistant in indiana by the way! even though he canned him in Toronto) Yeah, Isiah wacked malone to save his but.

But theres plenty of negative Isaiah stories around. Change can be good. Lets hope this on works.

"Got my back"! man you kill me!
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12/22/2003  5:42 PM
Posted by Nedyal1:
I will go on record and say that I got Isaiah's back.

You his dog also? What inflated mindset must you be thinking?
The "inflated mindset" you refer to is called Logic. It was time for ya boy LayDown to GO. It's been a long time coming.

Dolan got you good, he rid of Layden, now your a full card carrying supporter willing to offer your cash to that scam of a team
I wanted LayDown outta here. I am a Knicks fan. I am glad the Knicks made an improvement. I go to a few games a year. So?
The team is not a scam, but the crap ya boy LayDown tried to sell us WAS a scam. If you the Knicks in its entirety is so bad, you can always follow another team and change your username to that team's GM spelled backwards.


In the enthusiasm to replace Layden, gotta ask youself is thomas the guy?
I am willing to give him a chance. It seems like you don't want to do that even though you wanted to give LayDown every chance in the world to screw this team up even worse that it was when he got here.

What qualifies him to turn around the team?
  • He knows what it's like to actually win a title (2 rings)
  • He has a MUCH better eye for talent than LayDown.
  • He doesn't have the joke rep that LayDown has across the NBA. Every decision may not have been perfect, but I don't see him giving bad players star deals (like Eisley and Spoon especially)


The problems are still there.
Not at the GM position anymore.

I can't say whom as I have not thought about the GM spot, but I hope this is not another retread name whom dolan became enarmored with. Like Stienbrenner used to do.
IMO he won't be another yes man like ya boy LayDown.

When he found a wonderkid like Cashman, build with youth, the yankees fortunes changed.

Laydog was supposed to be that kind of talent, but Finding young players and giving them a chance cannot happen if you go with bloated vets. And lets face it, that gig started way before laydog came to power.
OK, so why didn't he change that bad pattern? LayDown fell in line with whatever madness that was going on and made a bad situation worse.

Its never been clear whom invented the roster picking, but its been around for 20 years! yeah, the knicks got Ewing, but messed up every single thing for 20 years. ANd in the end they blew that up. My point, ding dong, the Witch is dead, but its the Wizard that pulls the strings.
Dolan made a move to save himself from scrutiny just like I predicted.

What I pleaded for was a change of philosphy. SOme of you just want a change of face. If the thinking changes, so will the methoed of decision, and thus the result.
Actually, you pleaded for those with clear vision to give ya boy LayDown yet another chance. Come the hell on, man. How many "chances" is the fool supposed to get? What, should he keep getting opportunities to bomb out till we got a #1 pick for him to screw up? Do we need more excuses? NO, we need results.

You got his back? What in gods name you talking about.
I support Isaiah. Comprende?

Zeke will tweek the team, but unless there is a change in thinking, will we continue the same path.
So you'd rather still have LayDown here doing more of the same mess. Yeah, I know. You held your breath waiting for the impossible to happen. It didn't. Just exhale and let it out.

Even Chad ford is factually incorrect giving credit to Eisley and Andersons contract to Laydog. They were signed by Houstan and traded for Glen Rice. Laydog needed to rid of Rice. Not saying it was a good trade, but we were in a bad situatiion to begin.
He gave Rice that money in the first place. He made a bad situation worse by getting Anderson & Eisley- bottom line.

I am not a pro layden inverdebrate.
Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?

I have taken the time to evaluate the deals that were made and why they were made at THAT TIME. Its easy to play monday morning QB and react to the outcome.
OK so you believe that there is a method to LayDown's madness? LOL Why don't you share that top secret info with the rest of us? The majority of fans saw his moves for what they were- nonsensical.

To that I would say that if Laydog was unable to break with a bad philosphy which may be his, or given to him by Dolan, then he must go. Isiah is here, now we gotta hope Dolans lets him keep his balls!
Isaiah may be a little effeminate, but he's no punk. He wasn't as a player, and IMO he won't be one as Knicks GM.

Layden bashing was too easy, you guys miss the root of the problem.
LayDown got bashed with good reason. Supporting him was/is impossible and irrational. I explained the basics to you quite some time ago.

How can you feel good about anything quite yet? If zeke played the point for us,then Perhaps!
How can any sensible, thinking fan NOT feel good about LayDown getting fired? That question is just too unintelligent to acknowledge further.

As far as Zeke having been a PG, it's only another reason he shouyld do good as GM. Some of the best coaches/GMs were PGs when they played ball.


He can have my back, but I want those bloated phuckers off the team, thomas, ward, traded!
Yeah he'll trade KVH too, especially since he's not gonna tolerate having a soft team or soft players.

MIlos bought in,
Milos is overhyped eurotrash. We don't need scared players on this team. Isaiah won't accept that, especially from a point guard.

Sweet given minutes,
That may happen if he's not traded first.

let brendon malone (isiahs assistant in indiana by the way! even though he canned him in Toronto) Yeah, Isiah wacked malone to save his but.
...and what would be a better way to end the story than a reunion that proves successful? It can happen.

But theres plenty of negative Isaiah stories around. Change can be good. Lets hope this on works.
Isaiah has a clean slate. Let him be judged on what moves he makes while he's here. The possibilities of success are much greater with Thomas instead of LayDown.

"Got my back"! man you kill me!
Nah, I only killed you when you tried to defend LayDown. Now that's a dead issue and we can all move on in a positive direction like the Knicks are finally trying to do.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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