Yes they are. Look at the history log of games.

That said - I'd still like to see Frank get PT.

I'm starting to doubt Frank Williams too. I am not sure if he is as good as I thought he was. He is better than Eisley but I dont think he is much of an improvement over them.

I think he is better than both our other point guards. To be honest, I think he is '10 games of consitent playing time' away from being A LOT BETTER than both our point guards.

Eisley is terrible. He dribbles for too long and takes to long to find players open and very frequently decides to shoot first. Ward has a lot of expirience and is efficient but not effective.

I said this before, said this to Frank and I keep saying it," Chaney said. "It's about consistency. If he plays this well at times, he'll be playing. But I've got to have it every single game. I can't have a good game and bad game."

Said Williams: "This is the prime example of what I can do. I'd definitely be more consistent if I started. I couldn't get any worse. The down times, from here on in, it will get better.

Give him some time. We gave Eisley and Ward more than enough chances already.

Posted by OldFan:

I just don't know what information you're using to come to that conclusion. He has not shown he is better.

Most of the times he plays through the end of the game or through critical parts, they knicks seem to do better than they do usually do with Eisley. This is once again, what I think not what is proven or is a fact but he has proven a few times that he is better and thats while being much more of a younger inexpirenced PG.

With some more playing time he will recognize situations better and make better plays. He hasn't had too much of a chance to prove he is better but he does a good job of from the little playing time he gets (from what I see). You think any different then more power to you.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12/21/2003 19:56:09]

For those who claim that Williams is inconsistent I would like to ask how can someone be consistent when he does not get conistent playing time? When a guy plays 5 minutes one night and 25 the next, of course he will show differnt numbers. Ward and Eisley have been consistent allright, consistenly horrible. They give us zero penetration, close to none creativity of any kind, almost no court vision, inability to finish inside, inability to push the ball, and latley with Ward's knees breakin down gradually, lack of defensive intensity, aka, they can't stay in fron of their man. Now, Williams might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he is already bettr then the two faliures we have playin over him. Ward has proved once and again that he is horrible. Over 10 years of having to watch this bum have been very very painfull. Eisly have done the same in 3 yers. Williams is a better defender, reason alone to start him, a better penetrator, a better inside finsiher, can push the ball, and has actual pointguard court vision. He needs to work on his shooting, but cmon guys, ward and esily can't shoot half the time either. In other words, there is really no reason to not allow Williams at least a chance at running this already awful team, its not like they can get any worse. Maybe that way by the end of this year, and for the beginnin of the next one we'll actually have a promising and up and coming young player in the starting 5. All he would have to do is averge something like 12 pts and 7 dimes 2 brds and a steal a game. That would make not a bust. I think he can do it. So just give the kid a chance.

I agree on starting Frank Williams, but to call Charlie Ward a bum is stupid. Yes the guy is not the most talented player and would serve better as a backup, but this guy has given everything he can offer for the past 10 years. I want to get rid of Eisely but I want to keep Ward to show young guys like Williams and Milos how to be a professional and how to leave it all on the floor every game.

My opinion on both Ward and Eisley is they are not as bad as folks on this board think. They are both good SECOND STRING point guards. While I disagree with folks about what F.W. has shown so far, I do agree I would like to see him play more.