What are you talking about? Today was the first time I even mentioned Houston!? And he isn't a good defender. He has blown a bunch of FT's at the end of games and I recall him rolling the ball off his foot and not even getting a decent attempt off at the end of another game.

It is common knowledge that the knicks overpaid him!? I pick on every player the knicks have right now. None of them deserve to be backed up by any of the fans!? He hit a clutch 3 tonite but we stil didn't win the game. He missed a 3 in OT when the knicks were down 2 and we never recovered.

Posted by tkf:

it is funny how out of all players you pick houston, listen the guy is a cluth player not god, not every player is going to hit game winning shots with 1 second left and defenders draped all over them, you are being very picky. Tonight KT's stupid fouls, hurt the knicks more. Houston also plays pretty good defense, he is no payton but he can hold his, tell me, how many guys in this league can guard him? again you are picking on the wrong guy..

Look at any time I have made any posts before today. You will enver see Houston mentioned. I've gone after Shandon, KVH, Eissely, Spoon, Othella and Ward on several occasions. I constantly go after Chaney, Layden and Dolan. I don't doubt that H2O is a good player but he is definately not worth the $100 million contract.

Spree is a better SG than he is. I just want to know why ppl don't want to when they take shots at everyone on this team.

Top SG
1) McGrady, 2) Kobe, 3) Iverson, 4) Rose, 5) Allen, 6) Carter, 7) Finely, 8) pierce, 9) Stackhouse, 10) Artest 11) Arenas, 12) Terry, 13) Eddie Jones, 14) Spree, 15) Houston

Number 15 isn't all that great.

I want to say SG's like Jason Richardson are better because they can penetrate but H2O has been consistent with his jumper so far this year. He isn't good on defense at all actually. I'm not picking on him, I just think he should get blamed along with KVH, Chaney and the bench scrubs. He is our best player isn't he?

No one averages 20 pts plus a game without being able to get his own shot. Who on the Knicks you think is setting up Houston? (Remember they don't have creative pgs or anyone who can post) What games have you been watching the last few years? One of the big complaints on this board has been how often Chaney and Van Gundy before him called ISOs for Houston - that's the definition of setting up your own shot.

I would NOT take Rose, Eddie Jones or for that matter Spree over Houston. Terry and Arenas are pt guards.

Houston is over paid - but he's a good player.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Top SG
1) McGrady, 2) Kobe, 3) Iverson, 4) Rose, 5) Allen, 6) Carter, 7) Finely, 8) pierce, 9) Stackhouse, 10) Artest 11) Arenas, 12) Terry, 13) Eddie Jones, 14) Spree, 15) Houston

That list is terrible.
Cuttino Mobley, Michael Redd, Richard Hamilton, Manu Ginobili, Brent Barry, Quentin Richardson, Larry Hughes, Jason Richardson are all better than Houston. If you factor in the money, I'll swap Houston for Voshon Lenard (or even Reggie Miller) in a heart beat.

OK, here are some stats to illustrate how ridiculously one-dimensional Houston is.

Out of 31 SGs that has averaged 30 plus minutes this season, Houston ranks:

30th in Rebounds per 48 minutes. (2.7)
30th in Assists per 48 minutes. (2.9)
31st in Assists to TO ratio. (0.91)
29th in Steals per 48 minutes. (1.01)
30th in Blocks per 48 minutes. (0.11)

That is just pathetic.

Being able to create your own shots - means just that. If you have the ball alone with a defender and can score - that's creating your own shot. Are you telling me when Houston takes those "two steps" he is so quick that the defender never gets a hand in his face? Houston gets that shot up with hands in his face all the time.


Some other SG stat positions:

Points per shot: 6th
ft%: 1st
scoring: 7th
fg%: 6th *
* And most if the players in front aren't the goto guys on the team - having to score when everyone knows they are the main option.

CBSSPORTS Line ranks him 11th at SG with a similar type of rating and I would definitely argue with some of those picked ahead but a more important point is SG is position loaded with talent in the NBA:
Kobe, Iverson, Pierce, Carter, McGrady - are all guys who have or will have a chance to be MVP. Houston is clearly not at that level.


Houston's biggest weakness on Offense is TOs. This is amplified on the Knicks - a team of bad hands, bad passers and bad decision makers.

I agree Houston deserves his share of the blame. Especially because his weaknesses lack of assists and too many TOs add to the Knicks biggest weakness. However, if the Knicks had 5 players with the right mix of skills who had the same talent level as Houston - they'd be a very good team.

I'm not arguing he's worth the money - He's not. I have always suspected that Houston's agent got a side agreement from management when he came over from Detroit - that they would give him the MAX and the Knicks honored it.

PS - Spree does not get to the basket anymore. He use to but he's a mid range jump shooter now.

Posted by gunsnewing:

houston is a good player. The only problem is he shouldn't be out best player. With him as our best player we'll get no where. But i would take him over many SGs cause he's proven he can hit the big shot. My biggest concern right now is getting rid of Chaney and it looks like a reality now. You had to see the happiness on my face When I came here and read that Chaney might go soon.

True with everything. I agree. I'd take him over a lot of the SG's too and first priority should be Chaney's replacement.

We as Knick fans never ever blame H2O. This board has a lot of extremely knowledgeable and very intelligent fans. We know what we are talking about and yet we blame KVH, Chaney, Ward, Layden, Shandon (He is doing great now) Spoon and almost everyone else. Never Allan Houston. Is this becayse we know he can never take us to a championship? Is it because we know exactly what his potential is and he is performing and giving us everything he is capable of?

Is this like one of those, "everyone does it but does not talk about it" kinda things? We know he is not a rebounder or a shot creater but we know he can shoot and we only get on him when he doesn't shoot well? I think that is exactly why we are not blaming him. We knew Ewing could win us a championship and we saw the emmense talent and thats why we got on him more than we get on Allan Houston.