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BRIGGS
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10/13/2009  10:17 PM
These guys had pick 6 8 and 30 over the last two years. If you offered all 3 of them for Anthony Morrow who was not drafted--the Warriors would laugh at us. DW said we had to get these picks right--I don't see it and I am starting to dislike the coaching choice--he was not the right choice for this team. This team has no identity---I think the prospects are projects and Gallianri is drastically over rated so far. He looked better hurt.

We needed a coach who wouldve demanded to rebuild the interior out and started with a C in last years draft. Mike D is undisciplined--I don't care what he did in Pheonix.

Can you imagine Van Gundy or Pat Riley saying practice less--yeah take away the mental toughness--and look at what you get--the panzies that are wearing OUR NY Knick uniforms.


I have to tell you--unless someone told LBJ that he is getting some kind of unruly contract--why would he want to leave a 60++ win team for a 27 win team? I don't see a guy taking so many steps back.
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10/13/2009  10:22 PM
These guys had pick 6 8 and 30 over the last two years. If you offered all 3 of them for Anthony Morrow who was not drafted--the Warriors would laugh at us. = TRUE

I don't see it and I am starting to dislike the coaching choice--he was not the right choice for this team. = FALSE / TRUE

Gallianri is drastically over rated so far. He looked better hurt. = TRUE

Can you imagine Van Gundy or Pat Riley saying practice less--yeah take away the mental toughness--and look at what you get--the panzies that are wearing OUR NY Knick uniforms. = TRUE

I have to tell you--unless someone told LBJ that he is getting some kind of unruly contract--why would he want to leave a 60++ win team for a 27 win team? I don't see a guy taking so many steps back. = TRUE


[Edited by - caseloads on 13-10-2009 10:22 PM]
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10/13/2009  10:26 PM
Well...its way too early to panic and I suspect this is another self serving " I told you so" thread from Bird game Briggs, but there is room for concern.

I am perfectly willing to give this team a chance to gel, they deserve it and the young cats do have promise. That said, a lot of what I have seen seems like a linear progression from earlier this decade. Instead of making sound decisions, Knick brass have made moves with an eye towards PR and ticket pushing gimmicks.

Lets bring in the coach famous for his offense. Lets draft the Good looking euro named the Italian Stallion, lets draft Hill and immediately bill him the "next Amare".

Coach Avery Johnson/Mark Jackson with draft picks Randolph/Gordon/Lopez and Brandon Jennings and Blair > D'antoni, Galllo, Hill, Douglas.
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10/13/2009  10:27 PM
AGREE 100%
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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10/13/2009  10:29 PM
Gentlemen, can we please use these games to look at cobinations and individual players... Let's not let these games push us over the edge...we have 82 games for that.
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10/13/2009  10:31 PM
Posted by Redcru:

Gentlemen, can we please use these games to look at cobinations and individual players... Let's not let these games push us over the edge...we have 82 games for that.

Not when they are taking 40 3s. fcking play the game the right way atleast
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10/13/2009  10:33 PM
What is your version of "the right way"---not arguing, just curious
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10/13/2009  10:37 PM
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Posted by Redcru:

What is your version of "the right way"---not arguing, just curious


Inisde--out. Look for high % shot. More discipline and intensity on both ends. Much more emphasis on defense and rebounding

In layman's terms you play hard D and try to force bad shots--changing defenses from time to time. If you get one and out and go on offense and take high % shots--you will win ballgames. You have no chance taking 40 '3 --so many things can go wrong. We just played a team void of any PG at home--what a TERRIBLE decision to lose Miller but still its our own team and coach who needs to rethink things.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 10-13-2009 10:42 PM]
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10/13/2009  10:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

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Posted by Redcru:

What is your version of "the right way"---not arguing, just curious


Inisde--out. Look for high % shot. More discipline and intensity on both ends. Much more emphasis on defense and rebounding

Thanks...I have not been able to see the pre-season games...but I did get to go to two practice sessions in Saratoga. I was impressed by the effort, attitude, and overall vibe of the team...this was a 180 switch from last year when I went and it was Steph vs the team in practice...it was an awful feeling....so that was encouraging to me.

During practice they constantly worked on hitting cutters, getting people open around from around 12-15 feet, and ball movement---though it does not sound like much of this is happening right now.
I agree, inside out is a great strategy...as long as you have someone to throw it in to...and especially if that person is worthy of being double teamed...do we have that person? I shudder to say that Curry is the only one on the roster that could be that person---and that ain't happening.
I don't have an answer...I just don't think that there really is a style that would make this group 45-50 game winners...
We need to see who can play in this system and then be ready for a new team next year....let's just hope that the season brings us a hardworking team that gives us some entertaining nights.
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10/13/2009  10:53 PM
Posted by Redcru:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Redcru:

What is your version of "the right way"---not arguing, just curious


Inisde--out. Look for high % shot. More discipline and intensity on both ends. Much more emphasis on defense and rebounding

Thanks...I have not been able to see the pre-season games...but I did get to go to two practice sessions in Saratoga. I was impressed by the effort, attitude, and overall vibe of the team...this was a 180 switch from last year when I went and it was Steph vs the team in practice...it was an awful feeling....so that was encouraging to me.

During practice they constantly worked on hitting cutters, getting people open around from around 12-15 feet, and ball movement---though it does not sound like much of this is happening right now.
I agree, inside out is a great strategy...as long as you have someone to throw it in to...and especially if that person is worthy of being double teamed...do we have that person? I shudder to say that Curry is the only one on the roster that could be that person---and that ain't happening.
I don't have an answer...I just don't think that there really is a style that would make this group 45-50 game winners...
We need to see who can play in this system and then be ready for a new team next year....let's just hope that the season brings us a hardworking team that gives us some entertaining nights.

We couldve atleast had Dejuan Blair at 29 or 30 or whatever that pick was. Whoever over rated Toney douglas or gave the impression that we had to have this guy should be canned.

I said it on draft night we were OBLIGATED to take Dejuan Blair 30 when he dropped. I really believe this team is better off with Blair and Derozan--in fact it's not a discussion--the only guys who will argue are the guys who made the decisions and the fans that kirsed their arses and had no clue who we were drafting anyway.
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10/13/2009  10:59 PM
I like Blair as a player too, what is not to like...however, I'm not sure any of those guys will make a huge difference this year...

Where I live, I see all the Celtics games...before KG and Ray came to town, people were all over Doc and Pierce...now, it is one big lovefest in Beantown...

We need stars...once we somehow get them, we will start to like some of our glue guys and support staff a lot more...unfortunately, now we have some glue guys...but nothing to glue them to.
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10/13/2009  11:26 PM
the knicks don't send a player into the post area until there's 10 seconds on the clock...even with darko in the game - he's out on the perimter until 10 on the clock - absolutely no time whatsoever to work a down low game.
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10/13/2009  11:30 PM
There is alot to be worried and frustrated about but at the core is the wrong coach was hired to coach a rebuilding team with eventual championship aspirations. D'Antoni came in as a guy focused on offense, and whose defensive philosophy was to out score and out run opponents. His practices were short, and he relied on veteran leaders to control his team and locker room. There are quotes of him saying he,"Expects his guys to play like professionals." That was not the guy needed for NY. The philosophy of beating an opponent by outscoring is not one that wins championships even when you have the ideal roster to do it. I am convinced that the Gallo pick is D'Antoni's. I don't think there are many basketball professionals that would take Gallo with the 6th pick with the talent available in that draft. I am not that down on the Hill pick because I think unlike the 08 draft, it was smart to take a guy who seems like he will grow into his draft position.
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10/14/2009  12:31 AM
No doubt they look awful right now but our shooting has been so piss poor and we know even this bunch can score based on last years production.

I think much of it comes down to the shooting.

I am concerned that some guys like Duhon, Lee and Nate may not be in super duper strength.

Gallo looks really really slow on the court and his confidence seems to be hurting already and we aren't at game #1 just yet.

It's possible that the emphasis on defense has taken something away from out legs at the offensive end. Guys like Gallo, Chandler, etc tossing up air balls seems to be some type of fatigue issue that could be tied back to how hard they may be working at practices during the pre-season.

Not sure but I know when I play really hard on defense - my offense suffers.

Or else we just really really suck.
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10/14/2009  1:13 AM
Knicks fans are lucky they have so many different options of bridges to jump off in New York.


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10/14/2009  1:14 AM
I can't decide if it's good or bad but...

I generally agree, the Knicks suck AND I believe that this year is more promising than last year.


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10/14/2009  2:41 AM
What's more dreadful is this thread.
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10/14/2009  5:16 AM
Yes, the Knicks haven't gotten a stud yet. And this team is going to suck until it gets one. But I don't understand how it's all on Walsh... some of it certainly deserves to be. But he hasn't been here two seasons yet. And there has been drastic improvement in the cap flexibility department, which was #1 on the wishlist for many of us.

Really what bit us in the ass was Donnie not dumping Nate+Jeffries last deadline and Donnie not parting with the 40-50th best swingman in the NBA in Chandler for the #5 pick. Those two no-moves are ****ing us, which is excatly what I said then
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10/14/2009  7:13 AM
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Knicks fans are lucky they have so many different options of bridges to jump off in New York.



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10/14/2009  7:19 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Yes, the Knicks haven't gotten a stud yet. And this team is going to suck until it gets one. But I don't understand how it's all on Walsh... some of it certainly deserves to be. But he hasn't been here two seasons yet. And there has been drastic improvement in the cap flexibility department, which was #1 on the wishlist for many of us.

Really what bit us in the ass was Donnie not dumping Nate+Jeffries last deadline and Donnie not parting with the 40-50th best swingman in the NBA in Chandler for the #5 pick. Those two no-moves are ****ing us, which is excatly what I said then

I think its hard to argue with the non move of dumping nate & jefferies as having been stupid- especially with how we dragged out signing him during the off season. Not trading Chandler for pick 5, debatable.

But, what I have said before is we were in such a hole after Layden & Isiah - you spend 8 years dumping on your franchise with crap moves- that the notion of being competitive for 2010 is foolish.

And I think some of the moves Walsh has made- and you can probably argue not moving Chandler for pick 5 was one- were made with the idea of being competitive this year, and yes, that is stupid and really doesn't grasp the reality of the roster.

I don't think MDA was the wrong choice, but I would have to agree that Walsh's can't miss picks are looking suspect- though I like Toney and am hoping he is a keeper.

The fact that the jury is out on Hill & Gallo, even at this point in their careers, is scary given where they were picked.
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