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Should we start Nate Rob at PG?
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BRIGGS
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10/5/2009  1:34 PM
I think we need to revisit this.
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10/5/2009  1:42 PM
For discussion sake, any reason WHY you want him to start at PG?
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10/5/2009  1:42 PM
You're going to get your head bit off for suggesting that Lil Nate do anything except fall on something sharp around here, but I'm down.

He may hinder the offense at times, but at least he wont be a complete offensive liability like Duhon. Douglas needs a lot of work, but he's further along than Hill which aint saying much.
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10/5/2009  1:45 PM
Duhon a complete liability? So who is going to pick up the assists and get the other players rolling? You gotta let Duhon have some weapons out there. Nate IS a weapon, and he shuld come off the bench for instant offense as a SG and not be asked to play a role he is not suited to play.
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10/5/2009  1:48 PM
Posted by kam77:

For discussion sake, any reason WHY you want him to start at PG?

We didnt upgrade the PG position and I think giving Nate a serious look in pre season is reasonable. This is NOT a bad team but we can see what will prevent us from being a good team.
We have guys who can score in a scoring system but we lack a PG who can get into the lane and help the big men get involved with higher% looks. Nate has MUCH more physical ability than Duhon. A slight sacrifice from Nate to play more of a 1 role might be best for the Knicks and himself.
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10/5/2009  1:52 PM
I have been this boards biggest advocate of this for awhile.

Everyone likes to focus on what Nate cant do and not what he does. He can find open teammates and like MDA he can make "the simple pass." He's our best guard and does things nobody else on our roster can. He put up massive numbers when Duhon was out.. and had a few near triple doubles.

Everyone says he's not a PG.

When he was in last year and Duhon was out did the offense become stagnant? Did guys just stand around while Nate (Marbury) dribbled the ball for 15 secs?

Seemed to me that Nate did a damn good job pushing the ball and scoring at the other end or making that first pass.

For me its about having your most talented players out there. Nate > Duhon and Douglas.
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10/5/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by fishmike:



For me its about having your most talented players out there. Nate > Duhon and Douglas.

Came back in here just to say that. Nate is just better --- dramatically in some areas.
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10/5/2009  2:01 PM

If nate has not been converted by HOF Larry or HOF Isiah to a PG, and top of shopping list was to get one to back Duhan up, why should Nate be in consideration of getting the gig?

Look at MDA's points, they control the ball had have to make decisions with it. Nate is very good at what nate does which is not to move the ball but attack the rim on instinct. Give him the ball and he is gonna shoot. Why mess him up and ask him to think beyond his instinct? Duhan is a ball control player. Not fancy and he does not light it up but very good at protecting the ball and on floor QB.

Its a contract year also for nate so Im sure he is not too keen on spending a year trying somting new.
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10/5/2009  2:02 PM
IMHO Nate more talented but is not the better PG. He's more of a ball stopper than a conduit.

If he can demonstrate being able to control the offense, then sure, but so far I haven't seen that.

Also, he is the better spark off the bench.

For the better of the team.
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10/5/2009  2:09 PM
nate has the makings of a rip hamilton-- with the new tall knicks he has the freedom to play that way.
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10/5/2009  2:18 PM
Posted by coolbeans:

nate has the makings of a rip hamilton-- with the new tall knicks he has the freedom to play that way.
except he's a foot shorter and doesnt defend
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10/5/2009  2:20 PM
I thought Nate looked a bit more of a pass-oriented player. He kind of has to. Douglas will make it very difficult for Nate to find minutes if he doesn't pass and play defense.
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10/5/2009  2:35 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by coolbeans:

nate has the makings of a rip hamilton-- with the new tall knicks he has the freedom to play that way.
except he's a foot shorter and doesnt defend

and rip grew up smelling like kerosene cause it was the only way to heat the house. ok with that out in the open. he has the makings of a rip because he can move through defenders and get his shot off before his trailing defender catches up.

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10/5/2009  2:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think we need to revisit this.

I realize Duhon isn't a star but he's more than serviceable if (when) healthy.

Scoring really isn't a problem for us -- particularly if we run out a starting line-up of Duhon, Chandler, Gallo, Al and Lee. In that case - we have no real need for Nate with that group -- let Duhon just distribute and keep everyone happy.

Nate is perfect as our primary bench scorer and I like him and Douglas together to change the pace and maybe generate some easier shots.

I think Nate's fine where he is.

All this said -- I really wish we had someone who could get to the rack at will starting for us but moving Nate into that spot really negates a strength he provides as a scorer off the bench and we don't need him with the proposed starting line-up we will use.

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10/5/2009  2:53 PM
Posted by kam77:

Duhon a complete liability? So who is going to pick up the assists and get the other players rolling? You gotta let Duhon have some weapons out there. Nate IS a weapon, and he shuld come off the bench for instant offense as a SG and not be asked to play a role he is not suited to play.

+1 to tat. Nate is a scorer, and a freakish athlete. Why waste his actual talents on something for which he is ill-suited? For sure, we need a starting caliber PG to run this system. THat had better be part of the 2010 plan. We didn't pull the trigger on Sessions, which makes me think Walsh/Kahn have Rubio deal on a napkin someplace.
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10/5/2009  4:08 PM
I think Nate should at least get a look at backup PG.

It seems like he has all the tools, but maybe we're missing something. Maybe he's just too small to get the passing angles.

He can get into tha lane like Chris Paul. If he can't pass from that spot... maybe its more than the fact that he doesn't want to.
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10/5/2009  4:25 PM
When you have Eli Manning at QB, why worry if Steve Smith can throw TDs?

Duhon is our heady, ball control QB. He's not gonna win many games for you with heroics, but he is steady and won't pass you out of a game with interceptions.

He will look to stay in the pocket and pass first, not one of those Nate Robinson/Tony Romo types who scramble around trying to make something happen by themselves.

Duhon wouldn't be as effective off the bench. Nate is joba.
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10/5/2009  4:40 PM
Unless you want Special Nate to freeze out Gallo again, I say he stays at SG.
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10/5/2009  4:56 PM
we dont know will nate be with us next year but DUHON wont be, because we have no bird rights?
exactly why tony douglas needs to get some minutes this year to develop, im not saying start him off with some but he should get 10-15minutes a game sometime during midseason so he he can develop and let himself know where he stands in this league so he can work on what he needs.
douglas will be one of our pgs next year and we gave away a pick for him...
i think douglas is the best defender out of the 2 other "point guards" we have. duhon and nate. He has the speeds strength and heart to do it. He needs some more work on his shot but he is way more developed than hill at his point....

hill currently looks like a frye with more athletic ability and raw. I dont remember Amare being a stud in his first year either though....
lee looks like hes gaining some confidence in his shot and scoring and is trying harder on D, maybe hes been reading our post about his DEFENSE on this board.

JJ skinny is still trying his best.... one question for everyone here how would u compare Matt Barnes on vs JJ?
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10/5/2009  9:01 PM
You guys are greatly over exaggerating Duhons ability to do anything. Duhon is perceived as making better decisions cuz he isn't doing anything out there. He plays from 3pt line to 3pt line and camps out and even stands too deep. That 40ft 3pter whether he Makes it or not is hurting the team. its counter productive to the offense. Everytime he chucks its a what the **** moment. Takes the life out of anyone looking at the game...and he's slow and doesn't communicate vebally the way he needs to as a point guard.

Now I ask.....how many times do we have to start the game in the hole? Nate played beautifully in the first preseason game. Douglas played great too. The communication and energy was there. The offense and defense was there...not individually but the team. They both were getting rid of the ball and took advantage of what the defense gave them. I didn't think they over dribbled or broke the teams focus.

Duhon doesn't do anything well except those 40 ft bombs. Duhon doesn't make the team better in any way. its a damn shame how you guys lie to yourself bout his play. He's a bum and he's hurting the team. Toney Douglas is a gem btw.
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