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Elite
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10/4/2009  9:48 PM
This is out of the blue, but i kinda just got a feeling, from watching this team how it is structured..

I say, for this team to make the playoffs a very important stat will be Al Harrington's FG%

If he can shoot a solid 47% + for the year from the floor I think we can make it, I don't think he needs to score a tun everynight... but he can't kill us with those 1-11 shooting nights. I think his ball movement and shot selection looked grade A today. He doesn't have to shoot 9-11 but I think Big al being a ball mover/scorer as opposed to a volume shooter changes everything.

Damn I just remembered we have larry hughes... gulp lol
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10/4/2009  10:59 PM
The same can be said about everyone. We don't have Nash,so for this system to work, guys have got to be willing to make the extra pass and not take contested shots needlessly. I think Harrington will reign his game in little and improve his passing. Gallo already looks like his a heady player. Hughes and Nate have to lose their gunner mentality, especially Hughes (Nate at least shoots at a solid percentage). If the team can learn to pass more, I really think this team can make the playoffs. With Darko, we finally have someone to convince other teams not to just drive to the hole at will. And if Jeffries can actually continue with his improved shooting, that would be a huge plus. He is our best individual defender. If he can shoot well enough to get 25-30 minutes, then he and Darko and Douglas should help turn this team into a decent defensive squad.
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10/5/2009  12:14 AM
I do not believe Al, Larry, and Nate can change their ways.
They are not players. But we have what we have so lets hope thay can ajust somehow.
We will not see them around for more that one season anyways (if not less)so not a big deal.

[Edited by - arkrud on 10-05-2009 12:15 AM]
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10/5/2009  12:33 AM
What you are saying is that the top gunner needs to shoot a high percentage.

Al is probably our top gunner but the guy is prone to disappear on many levels. From having a really bad game (3-15) or having a spectacular 3 quarters (lets say 7-10) only to disappear in the 4th (going lets say 1-3) which takes away the firepower that had us in said game. I've seen it happen.

I think Al is just Al. We need to get beyond expecting him to perform like a star (who gives you their "average" every night and every quarter) and just accept that he's a more reliable Crawful out there.

Our X-Factors are primarily Gallo, Lee's growth, Nate's maturation, Chandler's experience, Darko's ability to give us more than Jerome James. Those are what will dictate our very slim playoff hopes coming to fruition.

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10/5/2009  1:20 AM
Cosmic the reason i even posted this though is that Al really looked like a ball mover today... More so than i have ever seen from him, and I read a lot about him passing more in camp etc taking less bad shots... So i think its actually possible.

I think Al knows how to play, unlike a Larry Hughes/Jamal who just doesnt know wtf they are doing out there.. they cant even tell the diff between a good and bad shot.

Harrington knows, in the past he was just trying to get numbers for that deal.. and i think now i realises he will get a better deal if coaches/gms think he is a less selfish player.

I think he has a shot to have a career season this year... lets see though
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10/5/2009  10:47 AM
I was especially impressed by the inside bounce pass to Lee. He had good energy on the inside and for the most part was more than willing to stand his ground in the paint, Once to his own detriment. Good hustle and for the most part shot selection.

Saw no inury report on the following- Toney or Al both bandaged? Darko's knee thing has me holding my breath. Need Curry to continue to progress enough to make the rotation at center deeper.
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10/5/2009  4:58 PM
Al is currently the best scorer on the team, followed by Chandler and Lee, then Nate off the bench. He has to play well, cuz he's gonna be taking a good share of the shots out there but we should have a better chance if he like Gallo did, realizes he doesn't have it and drives or makes the pass. So long as Al plays within the offense we should be in good shape this year. To be honest that's the recipe for the entire team, cuz that's what MDA's offense is all about. Keep the ball moving and make the easy play. There's no need to always try to force it and go one on one. Of course there are times you need to be able to create your shot, but there's no need to force it.
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10/5/2009  5:50 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Al is currently the best scorer on the team, followed by Chandler and Lee, then Nate off the bench. He has to play well, cuz he's gonna be taking a good share of the shots out there but we should have a better chance if he like Gallo did, realizes he doesn't have it and drives or makes the pass. So long as Al plays within the offense we should be in good shape this year. To be honest that's the recipe for the entire team, cuz that's what MDA's offense is all about. Keep the ball moving and make the easy play. There's no need to always try to force it and go one on one. Of course there are times you need to be able to create your shot, but there's no need to force it.

exactly, and i don't think Al forced a single shot on sunday... did he?
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10/5/2009  5:55 PM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by nixluva:

Al is currently the best scorer on the team, followed by Chandler and Lee, then Nate off the bench. He has to play well, cuz he's gonna be taking a good share of the shots out there but we should have a better chance if he like Gallo did, realizes he doesn't have it and drives or makes the pass. So long as Al plays within the offense we should be in good shape this year. To be honest that's the recipe for the entire team, cuz that's what MDA's offense is all about. Keep the ball moving and make the easy play. There's no need to always try to force it and go one on one. Of course there are times you need to be able to create your shot, but there's no need to force it.

exactly, and i don't think Al forced a single shot on sunday... did he?

He forced many shots, but we forget they're forced once the ball goes through the hoop. It will become glaring when he is off one night.

Al and his game are cool and all, but it is not what winning teams are built on.
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10/5/2009  5:59 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by nixluva:

Al is currently the best scorer on the team, followed by Chandler and Lee, then Nate off the bench. He has to play well, cuz he's gonna be taking a good share of the shots out there but we should have a better chance if he like Gallo did, realizes he doesn't have it and drives or makes the pass. So long as Al plays within the offense we should be in good shape this year. To be honest that's the recipe for the entire team, cuz that's what MDA's offense is all about. Keep the ball moving and make the easy play. There's no need to always try to force it and go one on one. Of course there are times you need to be able to create your shot, but there's no need to force it.

exactly, and i don't think Al forced a single shot on sunday... did he?

He forced many shots, but we forget they're forced once the ball goes through the hoop. It will become glaring when he is off one night.

Al and his game are cool and all, but it is not what winning teams are built on.

I really diddnt see any forced shots from Al on sunday, the only forced shots i really noticed were from Dlee, Douglas and JHill... Al played within the offense and passed very well, imo
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10/5/2009  6:00 PM
actually Chandler also shot some bad shots, but they went in... I really didn't feel that from Al though
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10/5/2009  6:02 PM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by nixluva:

Al is currently the best scorer on the team, followed by Chandler and Lee, then Nate off the bench. He has to play well, cuz he's gonna be taking a good share of the shots out there but we should have a better chance if he like Gallo did, realizes he doesn't have it and drives or makes the pass. So long as Al plays within the offense we should be in good shape this year. To be honest that's the recipe for the entire team, cuz that's what MDA's offense is all about. Keep the ball moving and make the easy play. There's no need to always try to force it and go one on one. Of course there are times you need to be able to create your shot, but there's no need to force it.

exactly, and i don't think Al forced a single shot on sunday... did he?

He forced many shots, but we forget they're forced once the ball goes through the hoop. It will become glaring when he is off one night.

Al and his game are cool and all, but it is not what winning teams are built on.

I really diddnt see any forced shots from Al on sunday, the only forced shots i really noticed were from Dlee, Douglas and JHill... Al played within the offense and passed very well, imo

Maybe I'm too negative on Al. But it certainly felt like it when I watched the game. We'll see more on Friday.

I did note that Al was giving advice to Gallo before the game, seemed to be focusing him on the game-- showing some leadership. So that's good.

I admit I look at Chandler more positively by default, but he IS 24 and Al has been in the league for 10+ years.
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10/5/2009  6:06 PM
Orange i felt like Al forced a lot of shots last year, so thats why i even made this thread to begin with..

Im going off some hope here, in that i read in the blogs that during training camp he seemed to be playing a lot more within the team.. then the game on sunday kinda spurred some hope. The key is consistency.. So lets see if Al is missing shots, does he start forcing? or does he pass/drive the ball to the basket. That will be the test..

Im hopeful cuz i thin the guy actually has a head on his shoulders.. Lets see
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10/5/2009  6:07 PM
Now Larry Hughes? thats a diff story... I have no hope when it comes to him.. But i dont think he will be allowed to shoot very often this year, where as Harrington will probably be our leading shot taker
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10/5/2009  6:15 PM
Posted by Elite:

Now Larry Hughes? thats a diff story... I have no hope when it comes to him.. But i dont think he will be allowed to shoot very often this year, where as Harrington will probably be our leading shot taker

Larry Hughes I really don't even count as a part of the team. Sure, he's there on paper and he started on Sunday, but the start was more out of respect and his presence is assured solely because of his contract. No one wants him, he has 0 chance of coming back here, so that's that. I hope, for his sake, that he gets cut or traded or something so that he can resume his career. In New York this year he will only be a stop gap if we run short on guards like we did early last season.
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10/5/2009  8:46 PM
If the Knicks leading scorer shoots it at a 50% clip, then we'll make the playoffs.

That's not really laying it on the line.
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10/5/2009  8:55 PM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by nixluva:

Al is currently the best scorer on the team, followed by Chandler and Lee, then Nate off the bench. He has to play well, cuz he's gonna be taking a good share of the shots out there but we should have a better chance if he like Gallo did, realizes he doesn't have it and drives or makes the pass. So long as Al plays within the offense we should be in good shape this year. To be honest that's the recipe for the entire team, cuz that's what MDA's offense is all about. Keep the ball moving and make the easy play. There's no need to always try to force it and go one on one. Of course there are times you need to be able to create your shot, but there's no need to force it.

exactly, and i don't think Al forced a single shot on sunday... did he?

He forced many shots, but we forget they're forced once the ball goes through the hoop. It will become glaring when he is off one night.

Al and his game are cool and all, but it is not what winning teams are built on.

I really diddnt see any forced shots from Al on sunday, the only forced shots i really noticed were from Dlee, Douglas and JHill... Al played within the offense and passed very well, imo

"Forced shot" is an arbitrary term. I would say that he 'created' his own shot off the dribble and took a shot without consideration of any other player on the court. Once he got the ball, he did not look to see what else was happening around him or if there was a better shot the team could take. 9 for 11 is hard to argue with. But I didn't think he was taking good shots. Or passing the ball.
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10/5/2009  10:11 PM
Al seems to get locked into scoring mode and hasn't learned how to do that while also looking at the floor to see if there isn't a teammate with a better shot, you know maybe wide open since he's got 2 guys on him. I hope that he gets better, but some guys just don't have great court vision and so they lock in on the basket and their defender and go for theirs. Then you have a guy like Gallo who can call his own number but keeps his head up and surveying the court to see what else is happening. We might win on those nights when Al is hot, but it would be much better if he learns to share the ball so that when he's not so hot we can still play solid team ball.
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10/5/2009  11:41 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Al seems to get locked into scoring mode and hasn't learned how to do that while also looking at the floor to see if there isn't a teammate with a better shot, you know maybe wide open since he's got 2 guys on him. I hope that he gets better, but some guys just don't have great court vision and so they lock in on the basket and their defender and go for theirs. Then you have a guy like Gallo who can call his own number but keeps his head up and surveying the court to see what else is happening. We might win on those nights when Al is hot, but it would be much better if he learns to share the ball so that when he's not so hot we can still play solid team ball.

Exactly, but it's too late for that, you don't learn that at this point, he's done. There's a guy on my rec league team that is like this, he is our leading scorer but he has horrible court vision and pretty bad passing...when he locks on that's it, the d knows he's going to shoot and he rarely passes out of it. but he's good! well this is like harrington, he IS good, in a cool kind of way, but not in a championship kind of way

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10/6/2009  8:27 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If the Knicks leading scorer shoots it at a 50% clip, then we'll make the playoffs.

That's not really laying it on the line.

Not necessarily. David Lee was our second leading scorer, I believe, last season and he shot well above 50%.

I agree though that we need a go to guy who can be efficient. We'll have to see how it is with Harrington. Also, if that mid range of shot of Chandlers can fall down consistently, then we have ourselves a real weapon. I like how he took a few steps in to put it up instead of settling for the 3s.
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