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9/27/2009  2:22 PM
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9/27/2009  2:25 PM
How can a team lead the NBA in 3 point attempts with having maybe one consistent outside shooter (Nate) at what point does a team decide to go with at strategy that actually suits their strengthens....oh wait who am I kidding the Knicks have no strengthens.
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9/27/2009  2:30 PM
Posted by bitty41:

How can a team lead the NBA in 3 point attempts with having maybe one consistent outside shooter (Nate) at what point does a team decide to go with at strategy that actually suits their strengthens....oh wait who am I kidding the Knicks have no strengthens.

What you are seeing is a strong coach who has already implimented his system despite the personnel - and - a team who needs to find the right personnel to make the system work.

What does this show? That even the rag-tag left over knuckleheads we had still somehow listened to Mike quite well.

That's a POSITIVE believe it or not!

The stats themselves, again, prove we need the proper players here (one reason why sessions was JOKE of a prospect since he can't shoot!!!)

3pters: 1st in taking, 21st in percentage.
Overall FGs: 1st in taking, 28th in percentage.

You get shooters this system works.

As it stands, to be mentioned again ad nauseum, it's not about last year or this year it's about the team we being to build starting June 2010. That is when we BEGIN to build our new team for real! Probably using some parts left over from this coming year.

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bitty41
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9/27/2009  3:04 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by bitty41:

How can a team lead the NBA in 3 point attempts with having maybe one consistent outside shooter (Nate) at what point does a team decide to go with at strategy that actually suits their strengthens....oh wait who am I kidding the Knicks have no strengthens.

What you are seeing is a strong coach who has already implimented his system despite the personnel - and - a team who needs to find the right personnel to make the system work.

What does this show? That even the rag-tag left over knuckleheads we had still somehow listened to Mike quite well.

That's a POSITIVE believe it or not!

The stats themselves, again, prove we need the proper players here (one reason why sessions was JOKE of a prospect since he can't shoot!!!)

3pters: 1st in taking, 21st in percentage.
Overall FGs: 1st in taking, 28th in percentage.

You get shooters this system works.

As it stands, to be mentioned again ad nauseum, it's not about last year or this year it's about the team we being to build starting June 2010. That is when we BEGIN to build our new team for real! Probably using some parts left over from this coming year.

I actually like D'Antoni but let's not pretend that his systems remotely makes sense with this cast of players. Why even use a system for a group of players who will probably be gone next summer? Why not just let them play to their strengths hopefully win a few more games.
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9/27/2009  3:14 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by bitty41:

How can a team lead the NBA in 3 point attempts with having maybe one consistent outside shooter (Nate) at what point does a team decide to go with at strategy that actually suits their strengthens....oh wait who am I kidding the Knicks have no strengthens.

What you are seeing is a strong coach who has already implimented his system despite the personnel - and - a team who needs to find the right personnel to make the system work.

What does this show? That even the rag-tag left over knuckleheads we had still somehow listened to Mike quite well.

That's a POSITIVE believe it or not!

The stats themselves, again, prove we need the proper players here (one reason why sessions was JOKE of a prospect since he can't shoot!!!)

3pters: 1st in taking, 21st in percentage.
Overall FGs: 1st in taking, 28th in percentage.

You get shooters this system works.

As it stands, to be mentioned again ad nauseum, it's not about last year or this year it's about the team we being to build starting June 2010. That is when we BEGIN to build our new team for real! Probably using some parts left over from this coming year.

I actually like D'Antoni but let's not pretend that his systems remotely makes sense with this cast of players. Why even use a system for a group of players who will probably be gone next summer? Why not just let them play to their strengths hopefully win a few more games.

Because having a system that players know and can follow will win you more games, not what you said. What you said was already done by Isiah Thomas for years and it got us nowhere.
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9/27/2009  6:13 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by bitty41:

How can a team lead the NBA in 3 point attempts with having maybe one consistent outside shooter (Nate) at what point does a team decide to go with at strategy that actually suits their strengthens....oh wait who am I kidding the Knicks have no strengthens.

What you are seeing is a strong coach who has already implimented his system despite the personnel - and - a team who needs to find the right personnel to make the system work.

What does this show? That even the rag-tag left over knuckleheads we had still somehow listened to Mike quite well.

That's a POSITIVE believe it or not!

The stats themselves, again, prove we need the proper players here (one reason why sessions was JOKE of a prospect since he can't shoot!!!)

3pters: 1st in taking, 21st in percentage.
Overall FGs: 1st in taking, 28th in percentage.

You get shooters this system works.

As it stands, to be mentioned again ad nauseum, it's not about last year or this year it's about the team we being to build starting June 2010. That is when we BEGIN to build our new team for real! Probably using some parts left over from this coming year.

I actually like D'Antoni but let's not pretend that his systems remotely makes sense with this cast of players. Why even use a system for a group of players who will probably be gone next summer? Why not just let them play to their strengths hopefully win a few more games.

Because having a system that players know and can follow will win you more games, not what you said. What you said was already done by Isiah Thomas for years and it got us nowhere.

What are you talking about I know you guys think every post I make about the Knicks is somehow related Zach Randolph but in this instance I am genuinely pointing about a major flaw with D'Antoni's system. You don't build your offense around 3point shooting with hardly any shooters on your roster. That's just common sense.

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9/27/2009  7:38 PM
Wait u want our young players many of whom WILL be here in 2010 to learn a different system than one they'll definitely be playing in? Gallo, Chan, Lee, Hill and TD will most likely all be here and have major roles. MDA must setup his system and get these guys playing at a higher level.

Just so u know Al, Hughes, Gallo and Nate can all shoot a high % from 3. We just need to make sure the other guys on the team take shots they can make and not just hoist up 3's cuz the other guys R.

His offense is more than just jackin up 3's and that's what MDA is tryin to teach them. We need to actually learn what MDA's offense is to understand how great it can be. The Knicks weren't really running his offense so don't think what we saw was the real MDA system.
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9/27/2009  10:22 PM
Ho-Ly-Crap

I have now agreed with Earl...and..Nix... in the same day.



Good call, Nix.

And also Greek.

Nothing else to say they just said it in addition to my POV.

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9/27/2009  10:25 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by bitty41:

How can a team lead the NBA in 3 point attempts with having maybe one consistent outside shooter (Nate) at what point does a team decide to go with at strategy that actually suits their strengthens....oh wait who am I kidding the Knicks have no strengthens.

What you are seeing is a strong coach who has already implimented his system despite the personnel - and - a team who needs to find the right personnel to make the system work.

What does this show? That even the rag-tag left over knuckleheads we had still somehow listened to Mike quite well.

That's a POSITIVE believe it or not!

The stats themselves, again, prove we need the proper players here (one reason why sessions was JOKE of a prospect since he can't shoot!!!)

3pters: 1st in taking, 21st in percentage.
Overall FGs: 1st in taking, 28th in percentage.

You get shooters this system works.

As it stands, to be mentioned again ad nauseum, it's not about last year or this year it's about the team we being to build starting June 2010. That is when we BEGIN to build our new team for real! Probably using some parts left over from this coming year.

I actually like D'Antoni but let's not pretend that his systems remotely makes sense with this cast of players. Why even use a system for a group of players who will probably be gone next summer? Why not just let them play to their strengths hopefully win a few more games.

Because having a system that players know and can follow will win you more games, not what you said. What you said was already done by Isiah Thomas for years and it got us nowhere.

What are you talking about I know you guys think every post I make about the Knicks is somehow related Zach Randolph but in this instance I am genuinely pointing about a major flaw with D'Antoni's system. You don't build your offense around 3point shooting with hardly any shooters on your roster. That's just common sense.
I agree with Bitty wrt the need for 3 pt shooters.I've been bitching about this ever since we hired MDA. Last year, one thing we did do is trade our 2 best 3 pt shooters at the time of their trade. (Galinari was injured so I don't count him)
Crawford 45.5% from 3 pt
Tim Thomas 42.1% from 3 pt

However, these were good trades for what they did.....gave us cap room for 2010(Crawford for Harrington) and eliminated a few non-producing players (Jerome James, Roberson)and brought us a SG (Hughes).

Nixluva - I agree with you. We need to keep the MDA system and teach our present players how to run it.

[Edited by - markji on 09-27-2009 9:27 PM]
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Cosmic
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Posted by bitty41:


What are you talking about I know you guys think every post I make about the Knicks is somehow related Zach Randolph but in this instance I am genuinely pointing about a major flaw with D'Antoni's system. You don't build your offense around 3point shooting with hardly any shooters on your roster. That's just common sense.

The idea here is: You institute a system.

You see who you already have that can conform to the system.

Those who do you keep, those who don't you jettison, and then you seek out others who can and build a team around the system.

This is how professionals operate. You can disagree with the system, that is fine, but it is a very good and proven system, and the players love it, and Walsh is looking towards giving Mike every player that fits said system starting JUNE 2010 (not yesterday, not today, but---when that flexibility is in his hands).

I would think everyone can see this. It's very simple. Whether or not it works or if we can get the personnel to make it work is a moot point TODAY and of contention about a year from today at the earliest.




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9/28/2009  2:51 AM
The addition of Gallo will help alot if he can stay healthy. This is also the reason they added Hill (a big man that can shot from 15-18 feet). Walsh is slowing adding players for MDA's system. This team is going to live by the 3 and die by the 3 next year. If Nate, Gallo, Chandler, and Harrington can all shoot in the forties, this team is going to win some games.
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9/28/2009  8:45 AM
Posted by TheGame:

The addition of Gallo will help alot if he can stay healthy. This is also the reason they added Hill (a big man that can shot from 15-18 feet). Walsh is slowing adding players for MDA's system. This team is going to live by the 3 and die by the 3 next year. If Nate, Gallo, Chandler, and Harrington can all shoot in the forties, this team is going to win some games.

You left off our 2 best 3 pt shooters from last year who are still on the team(Gallinari not considered due to injuries)
- Duhon 39.1%
- Hughes 38.5%

This is another major reason I like keeping Duhon. Others may bash him, but he far exceeded expectations in his play last year.

While I like Chandler, he only shot 32.8% from 3 pt.
Harrington shot 36.2% while taking more 3 pt shots than Duhon and Hughes combined. Some more passing from Big Al would help the Knicks win more games.
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