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9/22/2009  7:47 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1245746.html

The last of three former students who hacked Florida A&M University's computers to change about 90 students' grades has received the stiffest sentence - seven years in prison.U.S. District Judge Stephan Mickle cited Marcus Barrington's lack of remorse in sentencing the 24-year-old on Tuesday.

seven years cause he didnt show remorse for changing school grades-- thats silly. the president should issue a pardon.
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9/22/2009  8:01 PM
Murderers do 5 years and get out. This is why the justice system is terrible.
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9/26/2009  6:53 PM
7 years is a bit much, but not off by a ton. But rather than comparing that with murderers who get 5 and saying he should be pardoned now-free ride, isn't the natural conclusion that the murderers should get more time? I mean hacking university computer systems to committ fraud is a serious crime.
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9/27/2009  7:09 AM
it's difficult to diffentiate the value of data entry points... the legal system, in my opinion, has the primary purpose of proteting business, specifically big business. A different ruling would keep the door open for those hacking into a financial services server and changing data points. It's not justice just the way it works
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10/4/2009  10:44 PM
I'm not very familiar with hacking into school computers to change grades, but I wonder if he would have been better served in the long run by keeping his nifty little trick to himself? Involving 90 people on in any type of plan is difficult and potentially cumbersome, but it is downright foolish in a criminal enterprise.
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10/5/2009  1:23 PM
Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate
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10/5/2009  1:30 PM
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?
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10/5/2009  1:57 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?

Restitution. fine him out the wazoo and make him do an assload of community service. Seven years is a miscarriage of justice, bottom line. Penalty doesnt fit the crime at all.
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10/5/2009  2:21 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?

the bank/insurance/rating sectors neglecting their legal fiduciary responsibilities cost taxpayers trillions in bailout-- no one serving time for that cost.

[Edited by - coolbeans on 10-05-2009 2:37 PM]
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10/5/2009  2:39 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?

Restitution. fine him out the wazoo and make him do an assload of community service. Seven years is a miscarriage of justice, bottom line. Penalty doesnt fit the crime at all.

i have no problem with that. As a judge how to you balance the defendants lack or remorse in the whole process. Didn't read the article but I take it that he basically told the judge that he didn't care or even understand that he was doing wrong.
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10/5/2009  2:40 PM
Posted by coolbeans:
Posted by martin:
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?

the bank/insurance/rating sectors neglecting their legal fiduciary responsibilities cost taxpayers trillions in bailout-- no one serving time for that cost.

[Edited by - coolbeans on 10-05-2009 2:37 PM]

you are basically bringing up a moot point. One has nothing to do with the other.
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10/5/2009  2:53 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by coolbeans:
Posted by martin:
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?

the bank/insurance/rating sectors neglecting their legal fiduciary responsibilities cost taxpayers trillions in bailout-- no one serving time for that cost.

[Edited by - coolbeans on 10-05-2009 2:37 PM]

you are basically bringing up a moot point. One has nothing to do with the other.

i think given the current circumstances of trillion dollar bailouts to irresponsible sectors its silly to argue costs.
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10/5/2009  3:00 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by coolbeans:
Posted by martin:
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?

the bank/insurance/rating sectors neglecting their legal fiduciary responsibilities cost taxpayers trillions in bailout-- no one serving time for that cost.

[Edited by - coolbeans on 10-05-2009 2:37 PM]

you are basically bringing up a moot point. One has nothing to do with the other.

if your argument is cost driven I think one has everything to do with the other... both incidents were variations of fraud which generated higher costs
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10/5/2009  3:14 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by martin:
Posted by coolbeans:
Posted by martin:
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?

the bank/insurance/rating sectors neglecting their legal fiduciary responsibilities cost taxpayers trillions in bailout-- no one serving time for that cost.

[Edited by - coolbeans on 10-05-2009 2:37 PM]

you are basically bringing up a moot point. One has nothing to do with the other.

if your argument is cost driven I think one has everything to do with the other... both incidents were variations of fraud which generated higher costs

1) which financial institutions where found guilty of irresponsible legal/fiduciary acts and 2) what is their current punishment? After that we can benchmark what their financial restitution was.

Bailout and legal fiduciary responsibility are 2 different things.
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10/5/2009  3:22 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by martin:
Posted by coolbeans:
Posted by martin:
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?

the bank/insurance/rating sectors neglecting their legal fiduciary responsibilities cost taxpayers trillions in bailout-- no one serving time for that cost.

[Edited by - coolbeans on 10-05-2009 2:37 PM]

you are basically bringing up a moot point. One has nothing to do with the other.

if your argument is cost driven I think one has everything to do with the other... both incidents were variations of fraud which generated higher costs

1) which financial institutions where found guilty of irresponsible legal/fiduciary acts and 2) what is their current punishment? After that we can benchmark what their financial restitution was.

Bailout and legal fiduciary responsibility are 2 different things.

1) I think that was kind of the original point, that huge financial institutions obviously harmed the public good to such a massive point and nothing happened

2) there obviously was no punishment, short of the regulation that added an extra layer of administration, changing investment banks into bank holding companies. The public good was violated so much legislature was enacted to change the nature of the investment banking business to the point where "investment banking" is no longer legal

edit: and I never commented on bailout/fiduciary responsibility, only that there is a precedent of companies and indivuals not getting jail time for driving up costs

[Edited by - supremecommander on 10-05-2009 3:25 PM]

[Edited by - supremecommander on 10-05-2009 3:26 PM]
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10/5/2009  3:49 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by martin:
Posted by coolbeans:
Posted by martin:
Posted by izybx:

Seven years for a victimless crime is an abortion of justice. A week in county jail and expulsion from school seems appopiate

what about the $ cost to the school, etc?

the bank/insurance/rating sectors neglecting their legal fiduciary responsibilities cost taxpayers trillions in bailout-- no one serving time for that cost.

[Edited by - coolbeans on 10-05-2009 2:37 PM]

you are basically bringing up a moot point. One has nothing to do with the other.

if your argument is cost driven I think one has everything to do with the other... both incidents were variations of fraud which generated higher costs

1) which financial institutions where found guilty of irresponsible legal/fiduciary acts and 2) what is their current punishment? After that we can benchmark what their financial restitution was.

Bailout and legal fiduciary responsibility are 2 different things.

standard-&-poor's/moodys/fitch triple-a rated absolute crap. at minimum they shouldnt be in business anymore, at maximum they should have caught a federal case, but i guess its easier to go after a college kid and put him in jail for hacking a school then it is to go after rating agencies to hold them accountable for hacking an economy.
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10/5/2009  5:27 PM
^ so mostly we have apples and oranges, meaning one has nothing to do with another.

The kid was punished under current statutes and could have/should have gotten a lot less but wouldn't show remorse - that's what I got out of the post. It wasn't victimless - lots of $ and time were probably wasted at the school, public, etc. - and the kid got perhaps what was coming to him by a judge after being found guilty.

To equate the bailouts and what happened there - very complex moving parts that effected many many corporations, public, etc is a big old stretch.
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10/5/2009  11:17 PM
^ both were responsible for fixing grades the kid and the ratings agencies-- only the kid is going to jail.
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10/5/2009  11:42 PM
excellent man, march on.
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