Could it be....could it really be...

http://www.newsday.com/blogs/sports/the-knicks-fix-1.812055/deals-in-works-for-david-and-nate-1.1465870?localLinksEnabled=false

Disgusting. Never wanted Lee back and for some reason the team loves his weak, soft ass. was already used to the fact he would be back. And here he is. Nate, I don't really about either way. Lee is one that impacts the game negatively defensively more. At least Robinson can score at will.

Posted by GKFv2:

Disgusting. Never wanted Lee back and for some reason the team loves his weak, soft ass. was already used to the fact he would be back. And here he is. Nate, I don't really about either way. Lee is one that impacts the game negatively defensively more. At least Robinson can score at will.

Now you pissed for the season. Pure guy GKFv2...

Posted by GKFv2:

Not pissed. Didn't really care to begin with. I knew we wouldn't be good and I was expecting him back anyway at this point. It is what it is. I think I'm going to just put on a porn scene every time Lee is out there playing defense. It will be more of a pleasure to watch.

Does anyone actually have any stats on what Lee's opponents score against him?

How can u say "I knew we wouldn't be good" before we played even one game. Isn't that a tad bit defeatist? How can we know what the team is gonna be based on resigning one guy? Lee isn't perfect but he plays hard and I think he's still improving. Nothing has changed. This is still about the future, but this year can still have meaning. Just remember that we have a bunch of guys playing for a contract. I think that's gonna translate into a big effort from this team.

Posted by nixluva:

How can u say "I knew we wouldn't be good" before we played even one game. Isn't that a tad bit defeatist? How can we know what the team is gonna be based on resigning one guy? Lee isn't perfect but he plays hard and I think he's still improving. Nothing has changed. This is still about the future, but this year can still have meaning. Just remember that we have a bunch of guys playing for a contract. I think that's gonna translate into a big effort from this team.

Uh, because we weren't good last year with an identical team. Nothing we did in the offseason screams playoffs. So no playoffs = not good. Didn't say they would win 23 games, although with the Knicks recent streak of luck I wouldn't be surprised either. Lee or no Lee, this team will still be in the lower top 10 worst of the NBA, that's for sure. Not defeatist. Just realistic. And that's not a bad thing. We are rebuilding and we are focusing on next summer. I'm not getting excited for basically some expiring journeymen guys and a few good, but unproven, young players on the team. Let's see if they prove me wrong. I hope they do.

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by nixluva:

How can u say "I knew we wouldn't be good" before we played even one game. Isn't that a tad bit defeatist? How can we know what the team is gonna be based on resigning one guy? Lee isn't perfect but he plays hard and I think he's still improving. Nothing has changed. This is still about the future, but this year can still have meaning. Just remember that we have a bunch of guys playing for a contract. I think that's gonna translate into a big effort from this team.

Uh, because we weren't good last year with an identical team. Nothing we did in the offseason screams playoffs. So no playoffs = not good. Didn't say they would win 23 games, although with the Knicks recent streak of luck I wouldn't be surprised either. Lee or no Lee, this team will still be in the lower top 10 worst of the NBA, that's for sure. Not defeatist. Just realistic. And that's not a bad thing. We are rebuilding and we are focusing on next summer. I'm not getting excited for basically some expiring journeymen guys and a few good, but unproven, young players on the team. Let's see if they prove me wrong. I hope they do.

If Lee will learn to guard 7-footers and guards he will be NBA star....

Jamaal Magloire was an all-star. So was Big Z. Doesn't mean much to me if Lee makes it.

He can't guard his position. He can't play D in the post or help D. He moves out of the way when a player drives on him and just lets players coast in for layups. There is nothing intimidating or hard-nosed about Lee on the defensive end. Teams go at him because they know he won't try too hard on that side of the ball. He's not a good defender.

If Lee is gonna suck on D, he should at least work to master his offensive game so he can cancel it out. He's average offensively and terrible defensively. Not the greatest combo.

Posted by PresIke:

i guess i'm not clear where one get the notion that lee is average on the offensive end of the floor. could you explain further?


[Edited by - PresIke on 09-22-2009 07:31 AM]

he cant. 16 ppg at 55% isnt average. Its excellent

If you watch the games you know that Lee was one of the worst defenders in the league at any position. That's not anti-anything, its just being real.

He's another Knick who doesn't really have a position on defense.

He's so efficient on offense, that he's still a positive overall. He really needs to be put in position where he's not the last line of defense. Unfortunately, he's usually not playing on the front line with anyone else who can defend.

i'm happy to have them back. i'd like to keep them both even if we add a lebron type, at a reasonable cost.

Duhon/Toney
Wilson/Nate
Gallo/Harrington
DLee/Hill
Darko/Jefferies

in case of emergency: Hughes, Curry

would've been nice to add a PG, i heard that Sessions kid was available, but let's roll.

Posted by GKFv2:

Disgusting. Never wanted Lee back and for some reason the team loves his weak, soft ass. was already used to the fact he would be back. And here he is. Nate, I don't really about either way. Lee is one that impacts the game negatively defensively more. At least Robinson can score at will.

I just don't know what to feel about Lee other than on a really good team he ought to be a back up player - and only if he has a SUPERSTAR front court mate - should he be a starter. And, finally, given his negatives he should not make more than 7M a year.

What he does on one end he gives up and more on the other end. He is a negative player in my eyes.

I like him, he's fun to watch (half of the time), but we're talking about wanting a winning team here and in that I don't think Lee is a winning player.

Yet, his double doubles will be cited, as if they should be the only criteria for paying a player. Unfortunately it is common that such stats ARE the basis for paying a player.

If we do get Lee on a 1 year deal we will just be re-visiting the same re-signing issues next summer. Lee won't get paid until late in the summer and it won't be what he thinks he is worth because yet again the more valuable free agents will be dealt with first and Lee will be part of the "leftovers" that teams only have so much money to offer said players.

It's just the way it is.

If the guy had a Charles Oakley mid range jumper and at least acceptable defense it wouldn't be an issue to start him at 10M per year. The problem is that his negatives do indeed outweigh his positives but few are willing to accept those facts.