[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Article, How Weird is Marbury from Boston last March when he signed
Author Thread
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
9/20/2009  12:50 AM
MORE ON MARBURY:
The 15 craziest athletes in Boston sports history By Mike Miliard.

Swearing and Invective•Sports•National Football League•more >>

Cleaning Guy Pat D: Stephon Marbury Rant. Yessah! As told to Adam Reilly.

In 1994's The Last Shot: City Streets,Basketball Dreams, author Darcy Frey offers potent evidence that the matchlessly bizarre personality of new Celtic Stephon Marbury dates back at least to early adolescence. When Marbury enters Frey's narrative, which focuses on a legendary basketball team at Brooklyn's Abraham Lincoln High, he's a 14-year-old phenom piloting a Big Wheel through an irked crowd of older players gathered for a playground game. Later in the book, Marbury — the great NBA hope of a storied Coney Island basketball family — has a surreal exchange with his teammate Tchaka Shipp, a Nike All-American bound for basketball powerhouse Seton Hall:
"Yo, nigger, what position you gonna play in college?" Stephon asked Tchaka after his Seton Hall trip. . . .

"Forward," Tchaka replied.

"Power forward?" Stephon said with mock incredulity. . . . "But you're only six-six," said the five-nine Stephon.

"Six-seven, nigger." Tchaka slammed his locker shut.

"You know power forwards got to dribble and shoot," Stephon suggested, his voice richly condescending. "You been working on that?" Stephon handed Tchaka a paper cup and suggested that Tchaka dispose of it for him.

Tchaka, stuck with the damned cup in his hand, was speechless for a moment. Then he exploded, "You're a freshman, man! What the hell is wrong with you?"

"I can't wait till you go to college," Stephon said with a sneer. "You'll be carrying luggage."

Telling a very tall, very good teammate that he's destined to be a scrub is an odd way to build locker-room chemistry. But then, esprit de corps has never been Marbury's strong suit. Which is why, ever since word surfaced this past week that the New York Knicks had negotiated a buyout of Marbury's contract, leaving him poised to sign with the Celtics, the wisdom of that move has been hotly debated. Critics pan Marbury as a selfish problem child who's burned through five teams in 13 years — teams that invariably get a whole lot better as soon as he leaves town. Fans of the move cite the C's thin bench and Marbury's on-court prowess — he's a born point guard and two-time NBA All-Star who's averaged nearly 20 points and eight assists per game over his career — and argue that the Celtics' solid locker-room culture will keep Marbury from becoming the cancerous presence he's been elsewhere.

Interesting though it may be, this debate is too superficial. Whether or not Marbury helps the Celtics, the real question is this: what planet is he from, exactly? Look back at the long, strange trip that is Marbury's career, and there's considerable evidence that his reality is simply unlike yours and mine — and, for that matter, unlike Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce and Ray Allen's. His mind works differently; he speaks a different language; he seems, at times, to operate in an entirely different dimension. To paraphrase Thriller-era Michael Jackson, Stephon's not like the other guys. And now that he's here, Bostonians should be prepared for a sports freak show unlike anything they've seen before.

All alone
But let's deal with Marbury's conventional transgressions first — and let's start with the selfishness, because the acuteness of Marbury's narcissism puts even his most solipsistic pro peers to shame.

There is, admittedly, something absurd about the way the public bristles when pro athletes show an excessive sense of entitlement: we pay obscene amounts of money to watch these players perform, know full well that they're making even more obscene amounts of money to ply their craft, and then are shocked — shocked! — when they act like they think they're better than the rest of us, or not beholden to the same ethical norms.

All that said, it's hard not to marvel at the Promethean self-absorption of the newest Celtic. Most recently, Marbury — who was making about $21 million with the New York Knicks this past season — evidently refused to take the court two times in November 2008, after the team had been decimated by injuries, and was subsequently banished. Marbury's motivation was obvious — he was piqued by an opening-night benching by coach Mike D'Antoni — but his boycott was seen as an unacceptable breach of protocol by fans and players alike. As then-teammate Quentin Richardson put it: "He hasn't played with us all year. . . . I don't pay attention to [Stephon] because I don't look at him as a teammate, anyway."
Even if this episode had been an anomaly, it still would raise questions about the wisdom of the C's adding Marbury. But the fact is, he's been pulling this kind of crap for years. In 1999 — after gushing about how happy he was to play with his friend Kevin Garnett — Marbury apparently grew jealous of Garnett's precedent-setting, lockout-inducing $126 million contract and forced the team to trade him to the woeful New Jersey Nets. That same year, Marbury conveyed his dissatisfaction with his new Nets teammates by writing the phrase "All Alone" on his ankle tape — then claimed, implausibly, that the message had been misunderstood. And in 2002, as a Phoenix Sun, he took a pointless potshot at Garnett by waxing ecstatic over how much better than KG his new teammate Amare Stoudemire was as a rookie. ("It's not even close," Marbury said at the time. "It's like Michael Jordan and Mario Elie.")

For those keeping score at home, now would be a good time to pull out your list of typical pro-athlete offenses and check the box next to "Incorrigible Egotism." While you're at it, you can probably check off "Misogyny," too. In September 2007, testifying in a sexual-harassment case brought against the Knicks by former team executive Anucha Browne Sanders, Marbury rejected Sanders's claim that he had referred to her as a "black bitch," but copped to using plain old "bitch," adding: "I said she doesn't run ****. I may have said **** her." (He also admitted to having sex with a Knicks intern in the back of his truck after a group strip-club trip in 2005 — not the sort of confession a married father of three typically wants to make.) Also mark off "Conspicuous Consumption": in 2000, Marbury claimed that, as he sat in his car (a Bentley, natch) at a red light in Manhattan, thieves took his 24-inch, $150,000 diamond necklace.

Swearing and Invective•Sports•National Football League•more >>

Seeing the light
If you're a Celtics fan who thinks Marbury will push the C's to a second consecutive championship, you've probably got your rejoinder ready: So Marbury's a conceited jerk. Big deal. Didn't the Red Sox win with Manny? And didn't the Patriots make Randy Moss a model citizen? But this line of argument doesn't quite work: paradoxically, it both sells Marbury short and ignores the full extent of his dysfunction.

The problem is, Marbury's weirdness also incorporates a strong altruistic streak — which is great, except when it edges into Christ Complex territory. In 2007, for example, he donated $1 million each to New York City firefighters, cops, EMS workers, and teachers, citing post-9/11 gratitude and a desire to spread the wealth "among, well, everyone." And in 2006, he launched his own line of basketball shoes — the "Starburys" — in conjunction with now-defunct retailer Steve & Barry's. Priced at just under $15 a pair, the shoes in question could be purchased with relative ease even by impoverished kids — like those who live in the Coney Island projects where Marbury himself came of age. Whatever you think of Marbury, it was a commendable move.

Or was it? Putting shoes (and an accompanying clothing line) within reach of lower-income children is laudable. But a case can be made that the whole "Starbury" venture, which continues online, actually reinforces Marbury's egotism rather than mitigates it. Marbury didn't just give the shoes his own nickname, and a star logo that's tattooed onto the left side of his skull. He also insisted on speaking of a broader "Starbury Movement," and of taking said movement on cross-country tours.

Obviously, there's nothing wrong with aggressively promoting a product you believe in. But Marbury seems to think that bigger stakes are involved. During a July 2007 interview on Mike'd Up, a WNBC-TV New York local-sports show, Marbury was asked about a Starbury giveaway he'd recently staged on Coney Island. As he explained his reaction ("It felt like heaven on Earth. That made me want to do so much more to create jobs for everybody on this Earth.") and his intense interest in education-related projects ("I can't teach all of the kids."), he sounded as much like an aspiring holy man as an enlightened entrepreneur.

In fact, no one should be surprised if Marbury eventually embarks on a second career as a preacher, guru, or mystic. In a November 2007 piece in New York magazine, writer Tommy Craggs recalled watching a wholly un-self-conscious Marbury engage in a prayer-cum-jazzercise routine in a South Carolina hotel. (" 'I go like this,' Marbury said. He began weaving his hands in and out, rolling his shoulders, and casting his eyes skyward. His assistant, Gaylord, chimed in. 'Givin' your praise to the Almighty Lord,' he said. 'That's it,' Marbury said.")

In the past few years, such awkward, overly demonstrative Jesus-freakery has become one of Marbury's defining tics. In a 2007 guest entry written on New York Post basketball writer Mark Berman's blog, for example, Marbury described his visit to the Sistine Chapel thusly: "It is incredible. You walk in one door and out the other and you become free in mind, body, and spirit. That's when I knew I was free. I flew home a free man and my life got turned around." (Given his subsequent falling-out with the Knicks, this assessment may have been premature.)

< preHow weird is Stephon Marbury?
By ADAM REILLY | March 10, 2009 | Recommended By 14 PeopleIn the Mike'd Up interview, meanwhile, Marbury explained his affinity for since-fired Knicks coach Isiah Thomas (who would later lose the aforementioned sexual-harassment suit along with Madison Square Garden; feud with Marbury; and get canned) in oddly religious terms. Thomas, Marbury said, is "a man's man — and he can see the light." Then he raised his eyes skyward. "And that light is that . . . you're going places?" guest host Bruce Beck asked gamely. "Hey, it's how people want to look at it," Marbury coyly answered.

Strangest of all, though, was Marbury's vivid recollection of a mysterious, sublime connection that he'd recently experienced with his sister, Stephanie. Here's how it went:

Swearing and Invective•Sports•National Football League•more >>

BECK: Are you comfortable being Steph these days? And is it fair to say you've grown in that regard?

MARBURY: Man . . . I grew so much. I mean, I had so many people that was praying for me and pushing for me. My sister been praying for me since I was born — my sister Stephanie, my namesake. . . . [My sister] been praying for this day forever, and it finally happened yesterday when I kissed her, and I felt her body and I felt her soul. I was delighted to be kissing her. I couldn't even cry, because I knew they were gonna be happy tears, so I was able to control them. You only really cry [with] the bad stuff.

The snide take on this exchange —Marbury kissed his sister, and dug it! — is good for cheap laughs. But something more perplexing actually seems to be at work here. It's evident that Marbury had a powerful emotional experience he wants to describe. It's also evident that he doesn't know how to explain himself in terms intelligible to the interviewer or the home audience — or anybody else. Moreover, he doesn't even comprehend the basic parameters within which the conversation is supposed to proceed. He seems to be speaking some sort of interplanetary Esperanto, equally unintelligible to the (mostly) white sportswriters who cover him and the (mostly) black athletes who are his peers. Or perhaps he suffers from an Asperger's-like condition that renders even the most mundane off-the-court interactions perilous.

Seen in this light, some of Marbury's stranger statements and actions take on a different look. After his banishment from the Knicks, for example, Marbury baffled pretty much everyone by attending a Knicks-Lakers game in LA; he sat courtside (not on the bench, but with his own paid-for ticket!), and spent a lot of time talking on his cell phone. Maybe Marbury was irked at the lack of support he'd received from his teammates during his ongoing feud with Knicks management, and wanted to **** with their heads. Then again, maybe he had nothing else to do — and literally couldn't fathom just how inappropriate and disruptive it was for him to be there.

Catch a falling star
In his interactions with the media, Marbury can oscillate between cooperative and combative with dizzying speed. He'll playfully giggle and allow certain lines of questioning — but then, seemingly for no reason, refuse to abide by others. With Beck on Mike'd Up, he bared his soul — then refused to do a closing lightning round packed with softball questions (e.g., will the Knicks be better next year?). Similarly, after showing New York's Craggs how he gets in touch with the Almighty, Marbury suddenly cut the writer off for contacting his assistant without his permission (which, as Craggs dryly noted, seemed backward).

But this past Friday, meeting the media with Celtics Coach Doc Rivers just after signing a contract and just before his Boston debut, Marbury gave those who dream of a happy marriage between "Starbury" and the C's absolutely nothing to complain about. Even when he was prodded about his past transgressions, the player's answers were the picture of pithy rationality. ("I'm human, I make mistakes, and I've learned from my mistakes," Marbury said at one point. "You just gotta keep on pushin' on.") Franchise win-wise, the Marbury era is off to a mixed start — as of this writing, the team is one and one since his arrival — but as far as the sporting public knows, Marbury himself has been a model teammate.

Given all this — and after watching Marbury flash his extremely disarming smile to the Celtics fans who gave him a standing O during his Friday-night debut — I recently found myself thinking that perhaps, unlikely as it seems, Marbury has actually gotten his **** together. I recalled a strangely touching moment from Marbury's Italian-vacation blog post: "I played with a six-year-old kid who loved basketball but said nobody would play with him. So I played with him two straight hours." And then — channeling my inner Barbara Walters — I wondered: "What if the Celtics are now playing the role of Marbury — and he's the lonely, hoops-happy six year old?"


And then I snapped out of it. For the Celtics' sake, and Marbury's, I truly hope he succeeds here. But Marbury has said all the right things before: in Minnesota, where he initially likened exec Kevin McHale to a surrogate father; when he was traded to the Nets, bringing him back near Coney Island; after joining Phoenix, when he claimed to be "rejuvenated"; with the Knicks, when he finally joined his real hometown team and got to play in Madison Square Garden.

If that doesn't happen here in Boston — and if the Celtics actually manage to win another championship this year — Rivers, the team, and Marbury himself will all deserve a great deal of credit. But I'd bet against this best-case scenario. New beginnings are Marbury's strong suit. It's what comes next that gives him trouble — and when the trouble starts, it tends to get very strange very quickly. So here's some friendly advice: brace yourself, Boston, for the next installment of the Starbury Show.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
AUTOADVERT
Caseloads
Posts: 27725
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/29/2001
Member: #41
9/20/2009  10:43 AM
Aspergers - maybe this is why Marbs is so strange. Marv, comments?
Marv
Posts: 35540
Alba Posts: 69
Joined: 9/2/2002
Member: #315
9/20/2009  12:07 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

Aspergers - maybe this is why Marbs is so strange. Marv, comments?

Interesting. Well without suggesting a diagnosis (disclaimer, disclaimer) . . . .

I would say this – anyone assessing him would probably be wise to rule out aspergers, bipolar and maybe schizoaffective disorders, as well as narcissistic or histrionic personality disorders.

You have a real interesting array of behaviors with this guy. He’s not always off. this is the same guy who has shown great spontaneous public joy after hitting a winning shot (phoenix), has given a very intelligent insightful and coherent interview after being jailed in phoenix for a dui, cried when recounting the images of children being imperiled after Katrina, and has sat for a series of charming and very connected video interviews with a guy he met at a bus stop in LA. As well as the full array of bizarre behaviors and episodes mentioned in the article above and well-chronicled on video by steph himself. An interesting and complex figure. You gotta wonder about the degree of dissociation that may go on in his coping mechanisms.

I’ll mention one other thing. A couple of years ago dj and I went to a meet and greet affair with the knicks where we met a handful of players and got to chat for a few minutes with each of them. Naturally as soon as it was over we did a mad rehashing of all their interpersonal styles and who was most and least like what we would have expected. The most outgoing, conversational and comfortable guys were malik, jamal and david. The ones in the middle were Jerome and eddy. Q and starks (he’s ALWAYS around) were a little distant. But steph was bizarre. He made no eye contact with us, participated in almost no back and forth banter and even was mute after some things we asked him. we both mentioned afterward that he seemed extremely anxious and out of his comfort zone being around people he didn’t know and being expected to interact.
Caseloads
Posts: 27725
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/29/2001
Member: #41
9/20/2009  12:32 PM
Marv - been a long time since med school for me (at least feels like it) - but polysubstance abuse has to be on there as well.

Aspergers is most likely not the dx, as you mentioned, sometimes he IS socially competent, or at least appears that way (but highly functioning Asperger is).

Aspergers patients are also agressive socially and physically, which steph has not shown himself to do. I had one Aspergers patient one time who was quite interesting.

Psychopathology is quite interesting, and when dealing with a patient with severe problems, it is often quite glaring - as in Stephs case.
coolbeans
Posts: 20520
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/29/2009
Member: #2875
Niue
9/20/2009  1:21 PM
steph was misued in ny he was the inside precense the knicks needed with his penetrating ability as a guard but instead ny got that fatass to be the inside man. steph needed to be partnered with a tall three point sharpshooter to kickout to, leaving the opotion with a choice double steph to stop the penetration or and watch him kick out to the player on the wing or not double step and be scored on in the paint. steph as a citizen will also get props he showed not only that he wasnt selfish when he stepped up with katrina and the shoes but it showed a big heart too.
coolbeans@in.com
Marv
Posts: 35540
Alba Posts: 69
Joined: 9/2/2002
Member: #315
9/20/2009  1:28 PM
Posted by coolbeans:

steph was misued in ny he was the inside precense the knicks needed with his penetrating ability as a guard but instead ny got that fatass to be the inside man. steph needed to be partnered with a tall three point sharpshooter to kickout to, leaving the opotion with a choice double steph to stop the penetration or and watch him kick out to the player on the wing or not double step and be scored on in the paint. steph as a citizen will also get props he showed not only that he wasnt selfish when he stepped up with katrina and the shoes but it showed a big heart too.

when he was initially surrounded by shooters here in houston, van horn, kthomas and doleac he showed exactly that. he was just awesome.
Caseloads
Posts: 27725
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/29/2001
Member: #41
9/20/2009  2:05 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by coolbeans:

steph was misued in ny he was the inside precense the knicks needed with his penetrating ability as a guard but instead ny got that fatass to be the inside man. steph needed to be partnered with a tall three point sharpshooter to kickout to, leaving the opotion with a choice double steph to stop the penetration or and watch him kick out to the player on the wing or not double step and be scored on in the paint. steph as a citizen will also get props he showed not only that he wasnt selfish when he stepped up with katrina and the shoes but it showed a big heart too.

when he was initially surrounded by shooters here in houston, van horn, kthomas and doleac he showed exactly that. he was just awesome.
thomas tinkered too much
BasketballJones
Posts: 31973
Alba Posts: 19
Joined: 7/16/2002
Member: #290
USA
9/20/2009  3:49 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by coolbeans:

steph was misued in ny he was the inside precense the knicks needed with his penetrating ability as a guard but instead ny got that fatass to be the inside man. steph needed to be partnered with a tall three point sharpshooter to kickout to, leaving the opotion with a choice double steph to stop the penetration or and watch him kick out to the player on the wing or not double step and be scored on in the paint. steph as a citizen will also get props he showed not only that he wasnt selfish when he stepped up with katrina and the shoes but it showed a big heart too.

when he was initially surrounded by shooters here in houston, van horn, kthomas and doleac he showed exactly that. he was just awesome.
thomas tinkered too much

I agree, but I think Stephon would've reverted to form in any event. I think, as the article points out, he usually starts out well in new situations, then things degrade from there. It's what he's always done.

https:// It's not so hard.
BasketballJones
Posts: 31973
Alba Posts: 19
Joined: 7/16/2002
Member: #290
USA
9/20/2009  3:55 PM
It must be weird to be Stephon. I don't know his history real well, but I get the impression that his immense talent showed early, and his entire family's hopes for a better life were riding on his shoulders. I think he was empowered at a young age, like a little prince, and at the same time sheltered from real-world normal social interaction.

For all we know, he doesn't even like basketball. What if he had wanted to do something else with his life? Was that even an option for young Stephon?

[Edited by - basketballjones on 09-20-2009 15:55]
https:// It's not so hard.
Allanfan20
Posts: 35947
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #542
USA
9/20/2009  4:21 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by coolbeans:

steph was misued in ny he was the inside precense the knicks needed with his penetrating ability as a guard but instead ny got that fatass to be the inside man. steph needed to be partnered with a tall three point sharpshooter to kickout to, leaving the opotion with a choice double steph to stop the penetration or and watch him kick out to the player on the wing or not double step and be scored on in the paint. steph as a citizen will also get props he showed not only that he wasnt selfish when he stepped up with katrina and the shoes but it showed a big heart too.

when he was initially surrounded by shooters here in houston, van horn, kthomas and doleac he showed exactly that. he was just awesome.

That's a situation where EVERYTHING was going right for Stephon. He freaking loved Allan Houston b/c he was a good shooter. Probably b/c that made things easier on him. When that's the case, Stephon is probably cool as all hell. When things aren't going so well, he will act like a maniac. Exhibit A: Larry Brown.

Hey Marv, you think maybe Stephon could simply be experiencing some Mania or something? He does seem to be very Euphoric during a lot of his interviews as he was during that webcast. Then he suddenly crashes into tears at one point. That wouldn't be surprising to me, unless he smokes weed so much that it completely altered his emotions.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
Nalod
Posts: 71781
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
9/21/2009  1:04 AM
The man stuck his finger in a jar of Vasaline and stuck it in his mouth.

I didn't stay in no holiday inn express last nite, and I ain't dr. house, the man made over two hundred million and he is phuching nuts.

Why?
franco12
Posts: 34069
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/19/2004
Member: #599
USA
9/21/2009  8:53 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

It must be weird to be Stephon. I don't know his history real well, but I get the impression that his immense talent showed early, and his entire family's hopes for a better life were riding on his shoulders. I think he was empowered at a young age, like a little prince, and at the same time sheltered from real-world normal social interaction.

For all we know, he doesn't even like basketball. What if he had wanted to do something else with his life? Was that even an option for young Stephon?

[Edited by - basketballjones on 09-20-2009 15:55]

Reading all this post, and your thread especially- Marbury probably suffered the same problems that plagued Michael Jackson, though obviously not to the same degree.
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024

9/21/2009  12:30 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by coolbeans:

steph was misued in ny he was the inside precense the knicks needed with his penetrating ability as a guard but instead ny got that fatass to be the inside man. steph needed to be partnered with a tall three point sharpshooter to kickout to, leaving the opotion with a choice double steph to stop the penetration or and watch him kick out to the player on the wing or not double step and be scored on in the paint. steph as a citizen will also get props he showed not only that he wasnt selfish when he stepped up with katrina and the shoes but it showed a big heart too.

when he was initially surrounded by shooters here in houston, van horn, kthomas and doleac he showed exactly that. he was just awesome.

Then he got Van Horn fired.
Marv
Posts: 35540
Alba Posts: 69
Joined: 9/2/2002
Member: #315
9/21/2009  7:41 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by coolbeans:

steph was misued in ny he was the inside precense the knicks needed with his penetrating ability as a guard but instead ny got that fatass to be the inside man. steph needed to be partnered with a tall three point sharpshooter to kickout to, leaving the opotion with a choice double steph to stop the penetration or and watch him kick out to the player on the wing or not double step and be scored on in the paint. steph as a citizen will also get props he showed not only that he wasnt selfish when he stepped up with katrina and the shoes but it showed a big heart too.

when he was initially surrounded by shooters here in houston, van horn, kthomas and doleac he showed exactly that. he was just awesome.

Then he got Van Horn fired.

hey man. where ya been? florida international booster meetings?
Nalod
Posts: 71781
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
9/21/2009  10:54 PM
KNICKSdom
Posts: 20799
Alba Posts: 8
Joined: 1/17/2004
Member: #545
USA
9/21/2009  11:51 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Looks like Marbs is not doing so bad. He might be trying out for the sequel to Dead Presidents.
Knicks are happening and have a Unicorn.
Article, How Weird is Marbury from Boston last March when he signed

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy