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knicks1248
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9/14/2009  6:19 PM
What's the hold up now. I mean this is more bizarre then anything I have witness in a very long time. Usually you get these kinda stale mates in the NFL, I honestly can't remember this happening in the NBA. Especially with camp right arnd the conner.

What's gonna happen that hasn't in the last.4 months.
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9/14/2009  9:18 PM
Their options are limited.

Sign an offer sheet with another franchise - which will ultimately be low enough that we will easily match - as other teams don't want to spend - so Nate/Lee can't afford to lock themselves into a low contract.

Take the QO each.

If the Knicks are offering it, take the 1 year offer from Walsh.

It shouldn't be too hard to choose at this point.

Let's speculate.

A Lee offer sheet from another team might be 3 years 16M (3 yr mle) - Lee won't do this - he wants more cash.
Okay.
Lee can take his 2.6M QO (or whatever it is)
OR
Maybe Walsh is offering Lee a 1yr 7M deal.

Okay, Dave, I got an idea here! Take the 1yr 7M deal!

Now, think this through: Why would Walsh offer Lee 7M when the QO is really his only option anyway?

So well, know what Dave? It's down to taking the QO from the Knicks and working hard and being a player in the 2010 FA bonanza - or signing a lowball offer sheet elsewhere - as no one is offering more than an MLE contract for Dave at this point in time - if there was more? He'd be signing it!

So you look at this and wonder - what on EARTH is there to discuss? Nothing....which is exactly why Walsh's common line on Lee and Nate has been that nothing has changed and the numbers aren't what he's willing to spend.


Take the QO, play hard, revisit FA in 2010.
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9/14/2009  10:59 PM
Not Donnie's fault. The player agents are still supposedly trying to broker better contracts for their clients via sign and trades. They are doing their due diligence if nothing else for appearances sake. Think about it... there is absolutely no reason for them to sign until they absolutely must do so. Anything can happen. Why take away potential options, remote as they may be.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/15/2009  12:13 AM


I'm starting to think that our GM is really Father Time.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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9/15/2009  9:42 AM

One thing that is pretty consistant over Jimmy Dolans tenure is the knicks don't underpay anyone and whey they make a promise, even if not in favor to the team they keep that deal.

It is my opinion that Lee and Nay Nayte have the money they will make and have had that number for a long time. The QO is a formality.

Lee and Nate in the right market would have all the benefits of a free market and their value would dictate based on demand. This is a bad year to be in the market and I don't the knicks are being anything but upfront and good about this.

The one tought thing is we hava a plan and with a potential shrinking cap we are still sticking to it. This is nothing that is been hidden by anyone and no body should be shocked.

DLee if he is a knick will get paid this year, and perhaps will get paid by us next year with a hand shake deal. One example is H20 when he opted out and we bid against no one he got the big number. I have no proof, but it was so illogical it had to be that way.

Donnie holds the cards and is not messing up. In fact, he still has his assets in the event somone makes an offer he can't refuse.

Bottom line is to sign free agents and not lose the assets we want to keep.

Two allstars gets you pretty deep in the playoffs, three gets you to conf. finals.

My only fear is not being patient to build it right but to build it profitable and compromise.

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9/15/2009  10:10 AM
A note about Allan. If I recall he did get an offer of 75-84M from somewhere and Dolan gave the ultimatum to Layden to do anything it takes to retain him. Then came the 100.4M offer.

Back to Lee and Nate again it's simple: 2010 offseason gives them a much better chance to get paid - maybe even by us if we lose out on the big names in 2010.

It is best for both parties if both players sign the QO. It'd be a feel good gesture if the Knicks gave 7M to Lee and 4M to Nate on a good faith one year contract. Yet, I don't see any businessman really paying two guys a combined 11M when their combined QOs are roughly half that. It makes no sense, except again, a good faith gesture....but they could just as easily turn around and leave in 2010 so I don't see the value in that for US.

I think both players re-sign here. An outside chance there is an S&T I guess. I expect the QO to be signed by both and maybe an outside chance Dolan ok's the aforementioned good faith gesture.

It would be wise for Nate and Lee to take a 1 year deal here (or elsewhere if it's there to be had) and play real good ball this season and enter that 2010 derby - where teams who lose out on Wade/Bosh/Bron, etc - will be quickly looking to sign the next tier of players as the FA pool dries up and all these teams with cap space need to fill out their rosters.

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9/15/2009  10:20 AM
So basically wait for the 25th hour. At this point I'm not even blaming walsh for this, Lee and Nate are either naïve, or have agents that are naïve. Its time to get on board and make this thing work for your self, the fans and the franchise.
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9/15/2009  11:09 AM
Posted by knicks1248:

What's the hold up now. I mean this is more bizarre then anything I have witness in a very long time. Usually you get these kinda stale mates in the NFL, I honestly can't remember this happening in the NBA. Especially with camp right arnd the conner.

What's gonna happen that hasn't in the last.4 months.


Lee's agent is the hold up. He knows he has no other recourse but an inflated 1-year deal with the Knicks which will still make him look like a fool after his talk of 5-year $60M contracts.

He's holding out hope that a miracle sign and trade may appear out of the blue before he agrees to sign at Walsh is offering.
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9/15/2009  11:58 AM
Lee's agent is the hold up. He's holding out hope that a miracle sign and trade may appear out of the blue before he agrees to sign at Walsh is offering.

This is correct. There is no other reason. People like to blame Walsh for things he can't dictate.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/15/2009  3:39 PM
Posted by kam77:

Not Donnie's fault. The player agents are still supposedly trying to broker better contracts for their clients via sign and trades. They are doing their due diligence if nothing else for appearances sake. Think about it... there is absolutely no reason for them to sign until they absolutely must do so. Anything can happen. Why take away potential options, remote as they may be.

Exactly. This is the hold up. Lee and Nate are exploring all possibilities before giving in to the QO. If someone from another team gets hurt and that team's needs change, someone else may make them an offer. It is unlikely, but still possible.
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9/15/2009  4:12 PM
So let me get this straight, something has to be done by Oct 1st, and the chances of some one getting hurt prior to camp starting is almost un heard of unless its a (montel ellis, jay will) freak accident.

Yeah that makes little to no sense.
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9/15/2009  4:47 PM
What if something does happen though? And you cost your client money because you acted when there was no reason to act. Everyone is just covering their asses.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/15/2009  9:20 PM
I'd love to see a list of the S&T offers that Lee's agent has come up with.

You wonder if Walsh just won't take lesser talent for a player he basically has locked in for next year, or if other teams are only offering players with deals going past 2009/10... or both.
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9/15/2009  9:56 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I'd love to see a list of the S&T offers that Lee's agent has come up with.

You wonder if Walsh just won't take lesser talent for a player he basically has locked in for next year, or if other teams are only offering players with deals going past 2009/10... or both.

A sign and trade doesn't affect us in either way. If Lee is in a S&T, guaranteed he signs a long term deal. So the whole lesser player for a player locked in for a year is moot. Other teams would offer long term deals, they probably aren't offering deals above $8 mil ish(just enough where the Knicks MAY match) and are offering lesser talent(like expirings, and to me Lee for Expirings makes NO sense at all).

Think Lee would sign a long term deal in Memphis now? Think he regrets that decision?
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9/15/2009  11:41 PM
Joe, maybe I'm just AllanFanned, but I don't get what you're saying.

An expiring doesn't make sense for the Knicks unless its a better fit than Lee, I get that.

Expiring crap + pick would work though. (John Wall could be the pre-Lebron savior)

Long term prospect on the cheap + expiring crap might work. (Blatche)

Lee + Mobley for a big time player... I can dream
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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