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misterearl
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9/12/2009  9:11 AM
Every bit of speculation becomes fact in New York. The NY Post headline bleats, "Knicks Lose Sessions". How can you lose what you never had?

Certainly, for some the off season is time to fill the time with endless trade scenarios and free agent wet fantasies, but what happened to allowing the means to justify the end? Bottom line, Donnie Walsh is smarter than Marc Berman. I don't care how many snappy headlines are pushed on the back page. The Knicks have a goal to be incrementally better this year and significantly better in 2010. Cool.

Certainly, we all want to win games and watch entertaining basketball. Here is a tip. Stop taking the bait every single time some writer has a theory or "reliable source" os some imminent transaction. Stop it. Calm down.

The Knicks have the stoic and talented Wilson Chandler primed to pick up where he left off, Danilo Gallinari (fingering rosary beads) eager to see how his body feels in combat, Al Harrington bringing his special brand of competitive fire and a pair of compelling rookies eager to test their training wheels,

There is a possibility David Lee will return to play with his trademark focus. a versatile 6'9 dude named Warren Carter and the curious case of Darko Milicic to ease some of the defense pressure in the paint. There is even the remote possibility that Eddy Curry is ambulatory. There is a fresh start and a glimmer of optimism for training camp starting in 16 days. There is no stephon marbury..

I could care less about predictions, experts, rumors, bloviators or pre season standings. Hoop is around the corner and soon my beloved Knicks will slip the hallowed jerseys bearing the "New York" badge over their heads and across their chests. I don't care about any noise other than the sound of the ball hitting the wood floor.

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9/12/2009  11:03 AM
Misterearl,I agree 1000 amd 1 %!! As long as i want to turn on my tv,have my 2 sons with me watching and chips and beer,eager to watch our rookies and vets play hard and excitng thats all I ask!! IMO there is hope at the end of the tunnel.
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9/12/2009  11:25 AM
I haven't read the headlines in some time.

Donnie hasn't given the reporters anything to go on so they're reduced to creating stories or recycling old ones and trying to pass them off as factual or new information.

I have also largely turned my back on those who are clamoring for a 2009 spending spree or have the "LeBron or BUST" attitude in regards to 2010. We're not putting all our eggs in LeBron's basket we're putting all our eggs into a rebuild. If LeBron comes, great, if not, fine - because we stopped doing what led to 8 years of futility.

People need to get over the false melodramatic headlines, they need to get over this sessions insanity, they need to disregard 2009, and they need to let Donnie do his job and show us what product we will have heading into the 2011-2012 season - YES 2011-2012 BECAUSE: Our building of a new team only BEGINS next summer it does not END next summer - and then criticize if they don't like what they see 18 months from today.

It was going to take 18 months to tear down the mess and another 18 months to build a new team from the ashes.

To criticize something 18 months in ADVANCE, something that has not yet even happened, is just downright pitiful.

Let the man do his job. This isn't Isiah and THANK GOD it's not.

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9/12/2009  12:42 PM
I was being patient, but I don't like being told what to do,so now I no longer am.
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9/12/2009  2:19 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I was being patient, but I don't like being told what to do,so now I no longer am.

Jones, you better not be patient.
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9/12/2009  7:24 PM
Basketballjones - who is telling you what to do?

Whoever that is, don't listen to him or her. The whole point of the initial post is a modest suggestion to compose analysis based on the players who are here, not those that some reporter offered speculation who MIGHT be in New York.

That includes Lebron.

I ain't worried about the guys who ain't wearing orange and blue. I'm done with with the random speculation of sportswriters on deadline who lack the originality to compose a coherent thought about the present.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Toney Douglas

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9/14/2009  11:01 AM
Earl: Good post, agree 100%

Cosmic-I wouldn't disregard 2009, I think that's too defeatist. I think any grand plans of competing for a title in 2009 should be disregarded, but there are a lot of things to pay attention to this year that mean a lot for our future. Earl named many of them in his first post. Hill, Gallo, Darko, Douglas, Lee, Nate, Chandler, expiring salaries. All these developments are as important as any free-agent money we spend in 2010 and 2011.

Back to Earl: unfortunately the rumors and gossip is what all of our media has become. Too many people have accepted every peice of speculation as fact.
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9/14/2009  11:23 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Earl: Good post, agree 100%

Cosmic-I wouldn't disregard 2009, I think that's too defeatist. I think any grand plans of competing for a title in 2009 should be disregarded, but there are a lot of things to pay attention to this year that mean a lot for our future. Earl named many of them in his first post. Hill, Gallo, Darko, Douglas, Lee, Nate, Chandler, expiring salaries. All these developments are as important as any free-agent money we spend in 2010 and 2011.

Back to Earl: unfortunately the rumors and gossip is what all of our media has become. Too many people have accepted every peice of speculation as fact.

I definitely agree about not completely disregarding it but not expecting to compete for a championship. I'd like to see us go for a strong playoff push. Why? That's gonna show free agents and the rest of the league that the Knicks are turning into a good team and it will look good. And as you said, it shows that our guys are improving. Or hopefully it shows that, as opposed to JUST the contract year guys having career years.
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9/14/2009  11:31 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
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Earl: Good post, agree 100%

Cosmic-I wouldn't disregard 2009, I think that's too defeatist. I think any grand plans of competing for a title in 2009 should be disregarded, but there are a lot of things to pay attention to this year that mean a lot for our future. Earl named many of them in his first post. Hill, Gallo, Darko, Douglas, Lee, Nate, Chandler, expiring salaries. All these developments are as important as any free-agent money we spend in 2010 and 2011.

Back to Earl: unfortunately the rumors and gossip is what all of our media has become. Too many people have accepted every peice of speculation as fact.

I definitely agree about not completely disregarding it but not expecting to compete for a championship. I'd like to see us go for a strong playoff push. Why? That's gonna show free agents and the rest of the league that the Knicks are turning into a good team and it will look good. And as you said, it shows that our guys are improving. Or hopefully it shows that, as opposed to JUST the contract year guys having career years.

Let's play make believe and pretend that Gallo and/or Hill show great potential. That changes everything. Every negative poster on this site suddenly becomes excited.
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9/14/2009  11:35 AM
patience my ass. we need kanye west around here to go up and grab the mike out of stern's hands and say "the knicks ain't choosing <player x>. we're taking <player y>!!!
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9/14/2009  11:46 AM
Posted by Marv:

patience my ass. we need kanye west around here to go up and grab the mike out of stern's hands and say "the knicks ain't choosing <player x>. we're taking <player y>!!!

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9/14/2009  11:48 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:
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Earl: Good post, agree 100%

Cosmic-I wouldn't disregard 2009, I think that's too defeatist. I think any grand plans of competing for a title in 2009 should be disregarded, but there are a lot of things to pay attention to this year that mean a lot for our future. Earl named many of them in his first post. Hill, Gallo, Darko, Douglas, Lee, Nate, Chandler, expiring salaries. All these developments are as important as any free-agent money we spend in 2010 and 2011.

Back to Earl: unfortunately the rumors and gossip is what all of our media has become. Too many people have accepted every peice of speculation as fact.

I definitely agree about not completely disregarding it but not expecting to compete for a championship. I'd like to see us go for a strong playoff push. Why? That's gonna show free agents and the rest of the league that the Knicks are turning into a good team and it will look good. And as you said, it shows that our guys are improving. Or hopefully it shows that, as opposed to JUST the contract year guys having career years.

Let's play make believe and pretend that Gallo and/or Hill show great potential. That changes everything. Every negative poster on this site suddenly becomes excited.

What are your expectations for them?
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9/14/2009  1:12 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bippity10:

Earl: Good post, agree 100%

Cosmic-I wouldn't disregard 2009, I think that's too defeatist. I think any grand plans of competing for a title in 2009 should be disregarded, but there are a lot of things to pay attention to this year that mean a lot for our future. Earl named many of them in his first post. Hill, Gallo, Darko, Douglas, Lee, Nate, Chandler, expiring salaries. All these developments are as important as any free-agent money we spend in 2010 and 2011.

Back to Earl: unfortunately the rumors and gossip is what all of our media has become. Too many people have accepted every peice of speculation as fact.

I definitely agree about not completely disregarding it but not expecting to compete for a championship. I'd like to see us go for a strong playoff push. Why? That's gonna show free agents and the rest of the league that the Knicks are turning into a good team and it will look good. And as you said, it shows that our guys are improving. Or hopefully it shows that, as opposed to JUST the contract year guys having career years.

Let's play make believe and pretend that Gallo and/or Hill show great potential. That changes everything. Every negative poster on this site suddenly becomes excited.

What are your expectations for them?

Sorry, but I have none. I'm actually excited about Gallo. I thought he showed something during his injury stint last year. Enough, to make me think maybe...........Worst case scenario we have a deadeye shooter that will be able to put points on the board and will have no problem getting his shot off like some of the other deadeye shooters in this league. Other than his injury riddled stint I still haven't seen him play so have little to go on.

Hill, I liked Hill in college. I think he has as much potential as many in the draft. I have no understanding why people aren't excited about him. There are some other exciting names in the draft but no proven success as of yet. I did not like what I saw of him in Summer League until that last game. In the last game he looked like the Hill I saw in college. Other than that he looked sluggish and weak. We shall see.
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9/14/2009  2:06 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
unfortunately the rumors and gossip is what all of our media has become. Too many people have accepted every peice of speculation as fact.

I agree with the general sentiments (concentrate on what we have) but don't understand the approach above, particularly in the case of Sessions.

Walsh has said he put a $4 mill/yr deal on the table. Sessions' agent has said there was a $4 mill/yr deal on the table. All indications are that Sessions was there for us to take. So where is the unsubstantiated gossip?

The story with Sessions isn't that impatient fans were grasping at the brittle straws being handed them by the over-eager NY media. It’s about the balance of building vs. breaking that this team is employing going into 2010. We can have a reasonable discussion, in this case, about the merits of both without flogging fans for "taking the bait."

The Answerman and I go way back, and I happen to know he enjoyed plenty of speculation regarding what Mr. Layden should and should not have done with the team. Walsh isn't out of bounds.
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9/14/2009  2:20 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Bippity10:
unfortunately the rumors and gossip is what all of our media has become. Too many people have accepted every peice of speculation as fact.

I agree with the general sentiments (concentrate on what we have) but don't understand the approach above, particularly in the case of Sessions.

Walsh has said he put a $4 mill/yr deal on the table. Sessions' agent has said there was a $4 mill/yr deal on the table. All indications are that Sessions was there for us to take. So where is the unsubstantiated gossip?

The story with Sessions isn't that impatient fans were grasping at the brittle straws being handed them by the over-eager NY media. It’s about the balance of building vs. breaking that this team is employing going into 2010. We can have a reasonable discussion, in this case, about the merits of both without flogging fans for "taking the bait."

The Answerman and I go way back, and I happen to know he enjoyed plenty of speculation regarding what Mr. Layden should and should not have done with the team. Walsh isn't out of bounds.

I guess if you narrow this discussion down to 1 topic and the 2 facts about the topic, you are throwing out all the rumors and gossip that Bipp is talking about and the speculation that the fans feast on - those would be 2 entirely different things.
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9/14/2009  2:48 PM
Well then I'd love to know what other speculation the fans have been "feasting" on that has proven to be inaccurate.

I read this as an attempt to belittle some people's disappointment at our not getting Sessions by illegitimating their contention that he was even an option when the facts do actually indicate that he was there for our taking.

You don't think Sessions was worth it, fine. But don't gloss over the fact that it was Walsh who passed when the kid looks good next season.
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9/14/2009  3:04 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Well then I'd love to know what other speculation the fans have been "feasting" on that has proven to be inaccurate.

I read this as an attempt to belittle some people's disappointment at our not getting Sessions by illegitimating their contention that he was even an option when the facts do actually indicate that he was there for our taking.

You don't think Sessions was worth it, fine. But don't gloss over the fact that it was Walsh who passed when the kid looks good next season.

I guess you need to pay more attention to the media's articles, blogs, twitters. There were daily, hourly, weekly updates on Sessions' "status" with NY, LAC over the past few months which proved out to be nothing more than Sessions' agent planting mostly false updates in the media on the situation.

I am not glossing over the fact that Walsh passed over Sessions. I am putting it right next to the fact that the salary cap dropped this season and is mostly likely to drop next season as per Stern and as per Walsh's own reason for passing over Sessions and instead making sure his plan for a max agent is met before the prospect of signing a new PG.
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9/14/2009  3:35 PM
Posted by martin:
I guess you need to pay more attention to the media's articles, blogs, twitters. There were daily, hourly, weekly updates on Sessions' "status" with NY, LAC over the past few months which proved out to be nothing more than Sessions' agent planting mostly false updates in the media on the situation.

The facts that were reported were true. Walsh was attempting to move a long-term contract before signing Sessions, and if he had he would have pulled the trigger. So what is the “fantasy” that misterearl feels fans are reacting to?

That the deal was imminent? Who cares. The deal was there.


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9/14/2009  3:52 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by martin:
I guess you need to pay more attention to the media's articles, blogs, twitters. There were daily, hourly, weekly updates on Sessions' "status" with NY, LAC over the past few months which proved out to be nothing more than Sessions' agent planting mostly false updates in the media on the situation.

The facts that were reported were true. Walsh was attempting to move a long-term contract before signing Sessions, and if he had he would have pulled the trigger. So what is the “fantasy” that misterearl feels fans are reacting to?

That the deal was imminent? Who cares. The deal was there.


Rembee this is far more than Sessions so stop taking it personally. It's everything, every move, every negotation, fans ride the roller coaster of every article. It's pretty obvious and no specific examples need to be given to support Earl's post.

As for the Sessions negotiations, Walsh has told all of us his exact thought process. He said that before the cap went down he would have signed Sessions. When the cap went down he was tempted but decided that if he could not move another salary it was not worth it. So you are correct all the facts are out there now and there is no speculation. But leading up to this point............

Rembee get used to the way things are right now. I know it's hard to believe but your team was the most embarrassing team in sports. It's going to take a while to get out of the rut. We can continue to work year by year and sign the best available free agent and paint ourselves into a Sessions or bust scenario. Or a Lamar Odom or bust scenario. Or we can suck it up and be patient and enjoy our young guys, cap space and a run at some real players.

There are two lottery picks on our team. There is Wilson Chandler who took a huge leap from year one to year two. We have 1-3 recent first round picks and a guy that had enough potential to be picked in the top 3. I know things are bleak in NY but why worry about Ramon Sessions when you have Hill, Gallo Chandler and Douglas?
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9/14/2009  4:22 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
It's pretty obvious and no specific examples need to be given to support Earl's post.

Considering that we have now invalidated the one example that was given to support Earl's post, I'm not sure that this is true.

Every off-season is a roller coaster of rumors, speculation, and fan unrest. I think that’s certainly par for the course for most teams, crap ones in particular. I just can’t understand how this is the opening into a “don’t worry, be happy” thread.

Tell me that you think Douglas, Hill, Gallo, whoever, will produce and contribute more than Sessions would have. Or argue that putting a team on the floor that performs largely the way last season’s model did won’t hurt us when courting a FA in 2010. These arguments, to me, would address the relevant issues at hand.

So fans freak out. OK. How are my Knicks doing?

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