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madlib
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9/6/2009  6:38 PM
I was just reading this article at CBS (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/12161755). It got me thinking about the 2010 free agent class and who we could sign. Now let me set the scenario. We shed jefferies contract somehow this year and put ourselves in a position to offer the max to two free agents and Wade and Lebron resign with their respective teams. Would any of you guys be happy if we signed Amare AND Bosh. It would be a massive gamble and getting both players the amount of touches they want may be hard. It has the potential to either blow up in our face and be a disaster or through a minor miracle take us to the finals.

So my question to you guys is would you happy with this or would you like to sign just one or would you prefer to wait until 2011.
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9/6/2009  6:48 PM
Amare & Bosh would never work IMO... if that's the scenario then we'd be better off resigning D Lee to a contract extension & signing either Amare or Bosh to play alongside him & allocate the rest of the funds to sign someone like Joe Johnson... then in 2011 making a play for someone like Tony Parker in free agency (even tho he'd probably never leave SA) or whatever other elite PG's become available.
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9/6/2009  7:00 PM
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9/6/2009  7:12 PM
Posted by madlib:

I was just reading this article at CBS (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/12161755). It got me thinking about the 2010 free agent class and who we could sign. Now let me set the scenario. We shed jefferies contract somehow this year and put ourselves in a position to offer the max to two free agents and Wade and Lebron resign with their respective teams. Would any of you guys be happy if we signed Amare AND Bosh. It would be a massive gamble and getting both players the amount of touches they want may be hard. It has the potential to either blow up in our face and be a disaster or through a minor miracle take us to the finals.

So my question to you guys is would you happy with this or would you like to sign just one or would you prefer to wait until 2011.

Knicks would have to shed both Curry and JJ to even consider 2 guys at $15M per
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9/6/2009  7:56 PM
Amare isn't worth $15mil!!! I really don't think he's a huge difference maker. Very good player but not a franchise guy. The thing is we don't have to panic and just take guys left cuz it's 2010 and they're FA's. We'll still be in a great position to look to make trades or just be patient and get a better fit next summer in 2011.
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9/6/2009  7:58 PM
Posted by madlib:

I was just reading this article at CBS (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/12161755). It got me thinking about the 2010 free agent class and who we could sign. Now let me set the scenario. We shed jefferies contract somehow this year and put ourselves in a position to offer the max to two free agents and Wade and Lebron resign with their respective teams. Would any of you guys be happy if we signed Amare AND Bosh. It would be a massive gamble and getting both players the amount of touches they want may be hard. It has the potential to either blow up in our face and be a disaster or through a minor miracle take us to the finals.

So my question to you guys is would you happy with this or would you like to sign just one or would you prefer to wait until 2011.

I know we have that GM from Orlando who signed two max fa that one year and subsequently went into the gutter and gave up Ben Wallace who won championships. After Lebron james--everything else will be *who knows* and on top of it it will force us to renounce most of the team.
So if we blow it--it could mean 6 years of bad luck tied into two major contracts that might take up to 60% of the cap. Thats why I thought signing a Sessions for 4mm is so important--we also need good players who dont make 15 mm.

Also--we cant sign someone just to sign them if the value is not there. If nothing is there we need to use the cap space in other ways --perhaps find smaller deals etc.. there is nothing in grail about signing a player for the max next year.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 09-06-2009 8:08 PM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 09-06-2009 8:10 PM]
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9/6/2009  10:08 PM
Jordan Hill and David Lee will run them both off the floor!!! Yeah!!!

Especially with Chris Duhon running the show!!!! Yeah!!!
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9/6/2009  10:10 PM
There's nothing wrong with the idea of two max contracts, just not Amare and Bosh!

Briggs don't u remember how Boston pretty much had no one except KG, Allen and Pierce? They had to fill out the roster with scrubs. How'd that work out for them? It almost doesn't matter when u start with two or more studs. Besides we will have our draft picks Gallo, Chandler, Hill and Douglas! That's not a bad start at all. Let's face facts we're in a pretty good situation with lots of possible outcomes but most are good outcomes even without Lebron.
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9/6/2009  11:33 PM
Posted by nixluva:

There's nothing wrong with the idea of two max contracts, just not Amare and Bosh!

Briggs don't u remember how Boston pretty much had no one except KG, Allen and Pierce? They had to fill out the roster with scrubs. How'd that work out for them? It almost doesn't matter when u start with two or more studs. Besides we will have our draft picks Gallo, Chandler, Hill and Douglas! That's not a bad start at all. Let's face facts we're in a pretty good situation with lots of possible outcomes but most are good outcomes even without Lebron.

Totally agree with every word. And I tell ya what, I don't even know if I want 2 2010 max. FAs. Even if we ever managed to open up the cap room for two of these guys, you gimme LeBron and I think I'm content to stop there as far as the top guys go. If LeBron decides to stay in Cleveland, I might look to add a mid-level player or two that made sense and then start looking at 2011 & beyond. Amar'e's still a very good player but not on the same level as when he first came into the league. Something tells me to stay away - he's got some miles on him now & I'm still a little leery of the man's injury history. The last thing I'd want is another McDyess situation on our hands, not that I wish that on the dude. Ditto Dwayne Wade. As for my man Bosh, I've heard enough outta this idiot's mouth this off-season to last me a lifetime. First it was the outright laughing at the Knicks when some reporter asked him about the possibility of coming to NY, then it was the stupid comments about what a great job his GM did this summer and how you can't put all your eggs in one basket (we all know that was a direct shot at Donnie and our team), then instead of being flattered, he crys on twitter that everyone keeps asking him about where he's going. Enough already. Nobody cares Bosh. First of all Chris, I got news for ya, ya ain't all that great anyway. Seriously, this guy's a step up from David Lee but not by much. What has he done recently? How 'bout this - this past season, you switch Bosh & LeBron and put Bosh on Cleveland, I betcha that team barely makes the playoffs, if they even make it in at all. Meanwhile, LeBron on Toronto last year probably equals a 50-win team. And to think this guy's gonna want as much money as James next summer. No comparison if you ask me. Nowhere near on the same tier. Please, this guy won the same amount of games as us last year and with better players (Bargnani, Jermaine O'Neal & Jamario Moon for 50 games, Shawn Marion for approx. 30 games, Jose Calderon, Anthony Parker, Jason Kapono...). Let's see what you do this year tough guy - your GM went out and got you plenty of reinforcments. Stay in Toronto moron. Nobody wants you here. Go ask Shaq what he thinks of this puss. Toronto has automatically shot up the ladder to one of the teams I want to beat most. Plus, I really think it's overkill to get LeBron and one of these other guys as well. In addition, I really want to see Jordan Hill excel here and I think he has the talent to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned into just as good a player as Amar'e & Bosh. He has all the tools to be as successful at that position. I'd love LeBron, but no LeBron, these other guys don't really excite me as much. I don't think I'd rush out to throw money at one of these guys if LeBron decided to stay where he is. Call me crazy, but that's just how I feel..

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-06-2009 11:53 PM]
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9/7/2009  12:25 AM
I think the most likely free agent to sign with the Knicks is Amare. I don't think the Knicks will be able to sign two max guys unless they trade both Jeffries and Curry. I think the Knicks might end up being players in the 2011 free agent class also and that might be where they add that second big piece.
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9/7/2009  7:02 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think the most likely free agent to sign with the Knicks is Amare. I don't think the Knicks will be able to sign two max guys unless they trade both Jeffries and Curry. I think the Knicks might end up being players in the 2011 free agent class also and that might be where they add that second big piece.

PLEASE! No Amare. Eye injury,knee surgery. It usually takes a season and a half to come back. He's getting a little long in the tooth. No longer a dominate player. Let's develop Hill, use Mobley's expiring for a couple of draft choices and move on to 2011.
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9/7/2009  7:59 AM
A couple of draft choices? At best you'll get one late 1st round pick in a weak draft for Mobley's expiring contract IMO.
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9/7/2009  9:37 AM
Melo.
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[Edited by - babyknicks on 07-09-2009 09:39 AM]
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9/7/2009  10:00 AM
Melo and Bosh would be a great pairing. I think there'd be too much ego involved in a Melo-Amare pairing.
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9/7/2009  11:05 AM
Posted by nixluva:

There's nothing wrong with the idea of two max contracts, just not Amare and Bosh!

Briggs don't u remember how Boston pretty much had no one except KG, Allen and Pierce? They had to fill out the roster with scrubs. How'd that work out for them? It almost doesn't matter when u start with two or more studs. Besides we will have our draft picks Gallo, Chandler, Hill and Douglas! That's not a bad start at all. Let's face facts we're in a pretty good situation with lots of possible outcomes but most are good outcomes even without Lebron.

Rondo Perkins Davis Powe (all drafted by Boston) and House were not scrubs.

[Edited by - McK1 on 09-07-2009 11:06 AM]
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Posted by McK1:
Posted by nixluva:

There's nothing wrong with the idea of two max contracts, just not Amare and Bosh!

Briggs don't u remember how Boston pretty much had no one except KG, Allen and Pierce? They had to fill out the roster with scrubs. How'd that work out for them? It almost doesn't matter when u start with two or more studs. Besides we will have our draft picks Gallo, Chandler, Hill and Douglas! That's not a bad start at all. Let's face facts we're in a pretty good situation with lots of possible outcomes but most are good outcomes even without Lebron.

Oh come on!!! None of those guys had done or proven a thing up to that point. My point is that guys like them look WAY better when they're the supporting cast to such great players. IMO they're scrubs on a lesser team and they do nothing without the All Stars carrying the action. Just go back and read articles from that time and all the questions were about the rest of the roster. Could Rondo really handle the point etc? There were huge doubts cuz the rest of the supporting cast had no real track record.

Rondo Perkins Davis Powe (all drafted by Boston) and House were not scrubs.

[Edited by - McK1 on 09-07-2009 11:06 AM]
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Posted by McK1:
Posted by nixluva:

There's nothing wrong with the idea of two max contracts, just not Amare and Bosh!

Briggs don't u remember how Boston pretty much had no one except KG, Allen and Pierce? They had to fill out the roster with scrubs. How'd that work out for them? It almost doesn't matter when u start with two or more studs. Besides we will have our draft picks Gallo, Chandler, Hill and Douglas! That's not a bad start at all. Let's face facts we're in a pretty good situation with lots of possible outcomes but most are good outcomes even without Lebron.

Rondo Perkins Davis Powe (all drafted by Boston) and House were not scrubs.

[Edited by - McK1 on 09-07-2009 11:06 AM]

All of them except Rondo would look like scrubs on a 30 win team. Likewise, I think any top 8 or 9 rotation player who looks like a scrub on a 30 win team but obviously had enough talent to make it to the NBA could look like a solid role player on a championship team. The only caveat is that the player would have to have a team-first attitude (i.e., accept a diminished role and play his heart out in that role).
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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nixluva:

There's nothing wrong with the idea of two max contracts, just not Amare and Bosh!

Briggs don't u remember how Boston pretty much had no one except KG, Allen and Pierce? They had to fill out the roster with scrubs. How'd that work out for them? It almost doesn't matter when u start with two or more studs. Besides we will have our draft picks Gallo, Chandler, Hill and Douglas! That's not a bad start at all. Let's face facts we're in a pretty good situation with lots of possible outcomes but most are good outcomes even without Lebron.

Oh come on!!! None of those guys had done or proven a thing up to that point. My point is that guys like them look WAY better when they're the supporting cast to such great players. IMO they're scrubs on a lesser team and they do nothing without the All Stars carrying the action. Just go back and read articles from that time and all the questions were about the rest of the roster. Could Rondo really handle the point etc? There were huge doubts cuz the rest of the supporting cast had no real track record.

Rondo Perkins Davis Powe (all drafted by Boston) and House were not scrubs.

[Edited by - McK1 on 09-07-2009 11:06 AM]

just because the so called experts didn't know those guys could play doesn't mean they couldn't. It wasn't like trying to guage some unknown Euro who got drafted cuz of a workout alone in a gym. Powe, Rondo, and Davis were stars on the collegiate level. Perkins had been showing he could reliably rebound block and defend as starting C since 05. House was a known shooter and was a valuable part of MDA's rotation the season prior showing he could make shots when it counts the most.
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9/7/2009  1:10 PM
I think the reality is if you don't hit the Lebron jackpot, you have to depend somewhat on building from within in addition to adding the right pieces. This is what Orlando did, adding Rashard and Hedo to Dwight/Jameer. Can Gallo/Chandler/Hill be quite as good? Maybe not, but if they come along the way you expect and you add two solid quality vets that should create a solid contending core for about 4-5 seasons.
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9/7/2009  2:20 PM
What was the celtics record before Garnett and crew? What position did they draft?

If that doesn't make them scrubs what does?

You add a superstar and two supporters to a team. They can make a run.

He did it with spree and theat other guy in minny.

We add a star to this crew and we're in the mix. Any of the crew steps up then we are a contender.

The celts sucked and they were scrubs. They had the worst record in the league (worst than the 23 win knicks)
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