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8/27/2009  9:45 AM


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August 27, 2009
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August 27, 2009

The agent for David Lee would not rule out the possibility of his client being an unsigned contract holdout when Knicks training camp opens Sept. 28.

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In the NBA, it is almost unheard-of for players of Lee's stature to be camp holdouts.

"I certainly hope not, but you have to have an agreement," agent Mark Bartelstein told The Post yesterday. "I never thought we'd be this far without a deal. It comes down to making a deal. You have to ask [team president] Donnie [Walsh]."

"All we've agreed is if we can't do a sign-and-trade, we will work out a reasonable one-year deal," Bartelstein said.

Walsh did not return phone calls. Bartelstein said Lee will not accept the $2.5 million qualifying offer and dismissed rumblings Lee has been offered a one-year deal between $5 million and $6 million.

Bartelstein said there has yet been a firm offer but added Walsh is not pushing for Lee to sign the one-year qualifier. It would be a great embarrassment for the Knicks if they open camp with Lee unsigned.

"We haven't discussed those [one-year] numbers," Bartelstein said. "Is this disappointing? Every player would love to get a long-term deal, but they've made it clear they have plan in place for next season's [free agency]. They're entitled to have that plan."

Lee still is working out at the Knicks' facility, but if a deal isn't signed by Sept. 28, there is no way he will attend training camp in Saratoga. Bartelstein wouldn't let Lee compete for the U.S. Olympic team during its mini-camp in late July without a contract.

Meanwhile, unsigned Nate Robinson met with Walsh for less than an hour at their Westchester campus and discussed his status with the club. Robinson may have to accept the Knicks' one-year, $2.9 million qualifying offer.
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8/27/2009  9:52 AM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08272009/sports/knicks/lee_could_hold_out_of_camp_186717.htm
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8/27/2009  10:08 AM
Knicks are turning into a team with no class. If they dont want to sign him to a long term contract--atleast give him a fair 8mm $ 1 year contract. I guess they want to give Utah pick 1 and see no one at the Garden--on top of it perhaps pirse off players who may be looking at NY. The owner has a lack of class and now our dealings with our own players has turned into a wreck. Without David we wont won 25 games
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8/27/2009  10:12 AM
I'm getting kind of tired of David Lee. I'm with those who felt we should have traded him during the year before we faced this BS.

Now, we know what Lee does well, but how about what he does terrible?

Zero defense.
Gets stuffed frequently.
Lazy passer despite having good court vision.
Can't shoot.


Sorry, when those flags are against you? You're not worth more than 7M per year starting salary.

12M? LMFAO!

Get lost, Lee.
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8/27/2009  10:12 AM
Read the Hahn article on the matter.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/the-knicks-fix-1.812055

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8/27/2009  10:15 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Knicks are turning into a team with no class. If they dont want to sign him to a long term contract--atleast give him a fair 8mm $ 1 year contract. I guess they want to give Utah pick 1 and see no one at the Garden--on top of it perhaps pirse off players who may be looking at NY. The owner has a lack of class and now our dealings with our own players has turned into a wreck. Without David we wont won 25 games

We have no class because we don't want to grossly overpay for David Lee? Come'on. One year deal? For what? So he can pull this crap next summer as well? Or walk away for free anyway? No bird rights? Trade veto power? No thanks then let him go play for someone's MLE if he can even get that.
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8/27/2009  10:20 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Read the Hahn article on the matter.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/the-knicks-fix-1.812055

Hahn has proven he is no more credible than anyone else writing about the Knicks.

Meanwhile, LOL:
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LOL. I am upgraded and his menu system still takes over the page so you can't read it.


...and this:
Lee has little, if any, leverage as a restricted free agent. In fact, if he was to hold out of camp, his qualifying offer of $2.7M would expire on Oct. 1. The catch is he would remain restricted, but at this point the Knicks are no longer committed to the QO so they could offer him less. No one else in the league has cap space aside from the OKC Thunder (and they ain't spending) and though the Knicks have, are and will consider sign-and-trade offers, they are not obligated to execute one if it doesn't benefit them in any way.

Okay, then take the QO already, and STFU and work on your game, David. Make sure to fire your agent before you Sprewell yourself while you've still got 10 years of NBA game ahead of you.

SMH at this dragging on with no change in sight.




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8/27/2009  10:27 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Read the Hahn article on the matter.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/the-knicks-fix-1.812055

hahn makes sense here, but it also feels more and more like he is toeing the company line. newsday, which is owned by cablevision, etc.
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8/27/2009  10:41 AM
The rest of the league has shown no interest in signing him so the market is what the Knicks have offered. If you ask me, Lee is being stupid at this point.
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8/27/2009  10:50 AM
i'm good with the knicks' approach on both lee and nate. we may end up with both these guys and still protect our cap space for 2k10. that’s the best scenario, isn’t it?
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8/27/2009  11:08 AM
What I'm starting not to get here is why the big wait on everything? OK, they appear to be proceeding cautiously as if the future cap will drop to $50.4 mil. I think that's a good thing. That's wise. I can understand the reluctancy to offer lucrative, long-term deals to anyone with that kind of forecast. OK gotcha. But why no action at all? I mean they must've been over the figures hundreds of times already - I wanna start reading in the paper that we finally offer some kind of contract to 1, 2 or all 3 of these guys, and if they get rejected so be it. If they know they can offer Sessions around $4 mil. a year and still have room for a max. FA offer, what's the problem? Go for it even if it means rounding out the rest of the roster with minimum wage filler for a year. Offer Sessions the contract. If they think Lee, Nate or Lee & Nate is more important than Sessions, knowing they're not in a position to offer either guy a long-term deal right now (which they have communicated to both parties), just skip the QO which is kind of insulting to both guys anyway (Lee's agent is saying he's not accepting it) and come up with a fair market value, 1-year contract to appease both guys. Offer the contracts. I mean by now, they should have an idea as to what's more of a priority for them - Sessions, Lee, Nate, etc. Pick one scenario and act on it already. They know damn well at this stage what they can offer and what they can't. How many days in a row can they all come to the office and mull over the same stuff??? I guess it's all a game where neither side is willing to step up and give up ground to get something done... In the meantime, they show zero interest in any of the young, cheap unsigned talent, undrafted or otherwise, that's out there right now which futher infuriates me. I mean they show interest in every retread out there (White Chocolate, Jamaal Tinsley, Troy Hudson) but no interest in an intriguing young prospect like Mike Taylor? They also could use another swingman and/or another big - there's a ton of cheap young talent with upside out there right now that fits the bill, yet we hear nothing. Nothing. Crickets. WTF is that all about? Unless we're talking guys like J. Kidd or Grant Hill, do they not understand the concept that a roster of young, up & comers is much more attractive to potential FAs than a squad filled with guys like Troy Hudson & Mark Madsen??? What's the deal? Do they like Morris Almond or not? Tskitishvili?? I think there are better options out there but whatever, they refuse to acknowledge any of them... If they're that high on a guy like Almond (I think he's severely limited but there's no denying he's young & can shoot), how come we haven't heard anything yet?? I can't wait to see the motley crew they wind up inviting to training camp...

Back to Lee and Nate for a sec., they're obviously holding out that both eventually relent & sign the less-expensive QO. They're probably thinking - hey, they have no other offers, let them do what Ben Gordon and countless others had to do... Which I don't think is the right thing but to be clear, someone please explain in simple terms what the difference is between signing the QO and re-uping either guy for a fair, good-faith 1-year deal? I'm not sure if I'm understanding all this stuff correctly - Bird rights, cap holds, etc.. Would we shoot ourselves in the foot somehow if we chose to offer fair 1-year market value contracts to these guys?? That's the feeling I'm getting here... If anyone can clear this up I'd appreciate it because I'm really starting to get frustrated with the big delay on everything myself. I mean Jesus, there comes a point where ya gotta start being proactive, not reactive with everything right??

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8/27/2009  11:58 AM
I swear it is no coincidence that you can't be David without the D-I-V-A......Divad Lee is his new handle.....
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8/27/2009  12:18 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I swear it is no coincidence that you can't be David without the D-I-V-A......Divad Lee is his new handle.....
all right first of all that is a good one.

BUT

imo he hasn’t been such a diva. he's looking right now at the difference between having a secure career and future or a very tentative one. it's a very intense time for him. he's gotta look for and use any leverage he can to impact how this goes. it's his life, his career. i'd be very surprised if any of us wouldn’t do the same.
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8/27/2009  12:27 PM
I thought there was a 4 year $32mm offer on the table for Lee. Is that off merely because his agent has advised otherwise?

Honestly, he should look for something like that with a player option- perhaps 3 years instead of 4.

David has been pretty lucky to stay largely healthy, but he is a hustle guy who plays hard - bound to have another injury like the freak bone bruise or whatever it ultimately was. Could happen this season, and then where is he?
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8/27/2009  2:06 PM
Why you want any players to lay under the Knicks organization?
Just because we are Knicks fans and we want all players go bagging to play for the Knicks and if they are already with team to play with joy for charity.
The value of Lee is set by the market and if he will get it from the Knicks, he will play for Knicks. If not - he will play for any team offering him his market value money.
Having unhappy player playing for the team is just stupid. He will work on HIS game of course, but he will give a sht about what Knicks are trying to accomplish. Same goes for Nate.
It looks to me more and more that they want to get read of all players associated with Isiah era so Chan for whatever point trade should follow.
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8/27/2009  2:10 PM
Posted by franco12:

I thought there was a 4 year $32mm offer on the table for Lee. Is that off merely because his agent has advised otherwise?

Honestly, he should look for something like that with a player option- perhaps 3 years instead of 4.

David has been pretty lucky to stay largely healthy, but he is a hustle guy who plays hard - bound to have another injury like the freak bone bruise or whatever it ultimately was. Could happen this season, and then where is he?

I think he will be at home enjoing money he has regardless...
I cannot see this a big problem for David.
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8/27/2009  2:39 PM
I love how fans and media react on stuff that hasnt happened yet.
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8/27/2009  3:14 PM
Lee's Agent Disputes NY Post's Holdout StoryAug 27, 2009 1:03 PM EST
David Lee's agent Mark Bartelstein said Marc Berman took his quote out of context and that his client does not intend to sit out training camp.
Alan Hahn described Bartelstein as "furious" with Berman's slant on the story.

"I honestly think this is why athletes and agents are at a point where you don't trust the media," Bartelstein said.
"Donnie [Walsh] and I have worked on this thing all summer," Bartelstein told Hahn. "I understand where they are [with the 2010 plan] and what they're trying to do. I'm not going to criticize Donnie and the Knicks for doing it."

Bartlestein said that he is "not opposed" to taking a one-year contract but that Lee "should be paid properly."

Via Newsday

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8/27/2009  3:20 PM
If the Knicks are so bad and mean then why doesnt he go get the millions he feels he so richly deserves from another organization? Oh wait...
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8/27/2009  3:55 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Why you want any players to lay under the Knicks organization?
Just because we are Knicks fans and we want all players go bagging to play for the Knicks and if they are already with team to play with joy for charity.
The value of Lee is set by the market and if he will get it from the Knicks, he will play for Knicks. If not - he will play for any team offering him his market value money.
Having unhappy player playing for the team is just stupid. He will work on HIS game of course, but he will give a sht about what Knicks are trying to accomplish. Same goes for Nate.
It looks to me more and more that they want to get read of all players associated with Isiah era so Chan for whatever point trade should follow.

I agree, thats one of the reasons why we got rid of Marbs. Ideally your who team is happy-go-lucky but thats not likely.If Lee is gonna be unhappy thats very selfish of him, and since there is no "I" in "TEAM" maybe is isn't so great afterall. As for "he will give a sht about what Knicks are trying to accomplish" Isn't that whats going on already? I am not even talking about him vetoing that trade grizz or memphis or whatever that loser team was. I am talking about him not accepting the money that THIS team feels that they would need him to take. Thats selfish and greedy and it prevents HIS team from getting better. So yeah, he better work on his game

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