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crzymdups
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8/24/2009  5:12 PM
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

... and we want to let him go for nothing.
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8/24/2009  5:16 PM
have you looked closely at those stats? he's clearly an anomaly. he doesn't fit in with any of the other players there. if anything, the stats prove the one thing we knew, that he is an explosive scorer, but everything else is lacking.
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8/24/2009  5:21 PM
I don't want to give him up for nothing either, but we may not have a choice at this point. THat Nate and Jeffries deal looks better and better everyday. I wish we could revive that trade.
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8/24/2009  5:27 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

... and we want to let him go for nothing.

or not overpay for him. all signs point to nate coming back to the knicks for a 1 year qualifying offer. we'll see if the little man can grow up. i think donnie's played his hand quite well, he deserves applause. lee and nate both tried real hard to get paid big time this summer, and both have so far struck out miserably.
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8/24/2009  5:33 PM
Randolph is tenth. Crawford is thirteenth. Looks like we shouldn't have given them up either.
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8/24/2009  7:04 PM
Posted by metra:

Randolph is tenth. Crawford is thirteenth. Looks like we shouldn't have given them up either.

slightly different contract situations, no?
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8/24/2009  8:27 PM
Also, having one guy like Nate, Craw, or ZBo on your team is almost critical, having three of them on your team is pretty silly.

You need to have a guy who can score the rock in the closing minutes of ball games. Having a bunch of them that can do it, but are not complete players doesn't accomplish anything.

Its like AI on the Sixers. That worked. Having AI on a team with other offensive players who need the ball isn't so good.
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8/24/2009  11:27 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

... and we want to let him go for nothing.

Ranked 6th, but he helped us win 30 odd games. Gee- if we lose him for nothing, oh now - what might happen.
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8/24/2009  11:34 PM
Nobody wants to pay up for nate either.
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8/25/2009  6:31 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Nobody wants to pay up for nate either.

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I beleive that if Nate was on almost any other team with the same stats, he would get an offer.

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8/26/2009  7:54 AM
without Nate finishing games the way he did last year we win 20 games.

People around here have been desperate to replace Nate with inferior talent. I know MDA hates coaching him and he's a retard but he can play and is probably the best player on the team.
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8/26/2009  8:20 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by metra:

Randolph is tenth. Crawford is thirteenth. Looks like we shouldn't have given them up either.

slightly different contract situations, no?

Dropping Zach and Crawford - and pondering whether or not to retain Nate - has a lot more to do with attitude than it does contracts.

If the player is good you keep him. When the player is only good at one particular thing and a hack at everything else then they're not worth keeping.
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8/26/2009  8:22 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Nobody wants to pay up for nate either.

I believe he is worth a shot at the MLE for a team willing to spend. The problem is his attitude. He has the skills but not the will power to use them for everything he could.

Regardless I'll put it like this: If I had the MLE, was going to use it, and only Nate Robinson and Ramon Sessions were available? I'm giving it to Nate.

One thing about Nate that got me this past season was his declining 3pt shooting. He was a good 3pt shooter and now not so much. I don't understand why.
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8/26/2009  8:32 AM
Nate off the bench last year: 28 minutes, 17 ppg, 4 assists 3.5 rebs 1.2 steals 44% FGs
Nate as a starter last year: 38 minutes, 21 ppg, 5 assists 5.5 rebs 1.2 steals 44% FGs
11 games as a starter is a small sampling but those are all star #s. Is there a better player coming off the bench in the league?
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8/27/2009  10:02 AM
At the same time he was 6 in crunch time scoring he also was minus and the only one of the top 6 who was in the (+/-) stat so it tells us he was scoring but the other team was scoring more
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8/27/2009  10:22 AM
Posted by TheSage:

At the same time he was 6 in crunch time scoring he also was minus and the only one of the top 6 who was in the (+/-) stat so it tells us he was scoring but the other team was scoring more

And this is where +/- fails because it's not an individualized stat. If you're out there with the four worst players in the league and you're the best player in the league your +/- is going to look like trash no matter how good you are.


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8/27/2009  10:22 AM
Posted by TheSage:

At the same time he was 6 in crunch time scoring he also was minus and the only one of the top 6 who was in the (+/-) stat so it tells us he was scoring but the other team was scoring more

which is weird because david lee usually shuts down the lane, so i don't know what nate's problem is
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8/27/2009  10:24 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Nate off the bench last year: 28 minutes, 17 ppg, 4 assists 3.5 rebs 1.2 steals 44% FGs
Nate as a starter last year: 38 minutes, 21 ppg, 5 assists 5.5 rebs 1.2 steals 44% FGs
11 games as a starter is a small sampling but those are all star #s. Is there a better player coming off the bench in the league?

yeah, but ramon sessions averaged 15ppg and 7 assts as a starter!

(no, i agree. i think nate is being severely, criminally underrated. ramon sessions has the more prototypical frame, but if nate was 6'3" he'd be dwyane wade.)
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8/27/2009  10:26 AM
Posted by TheSage:

At the same time he was 6 in crunch time scoring he also was minus and the only one of the top 6 who was in the (+/-) stat so it tells us he was scoring but the other team was scoring more
not true... Nate's +/- numbers are the best on the team

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

Nate is the only regular rotation play with a + while on the court.
Nate is +4 against his oppenent.

To me this is very impressive. Not only is Nate producing more that his opponent but the Knicks are + while he is on the court.

People like to talk about how Nate cant run the team and thats why we need someone like Sessions etc etc

But Nate is the only one with a + number while on the court. The bottom line is whatever lineup the Knicks played last year the ones that played the best were the one's with Nate in them.

He may be a retard but the Knicks are at their best when he's on the floor. #s dont lie
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8/27/2009  10:32 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TheSage:

At the same time he was 6 in crunch time scoring he also was minus and the only one of the top 6 who was in the (+/-) stat so it tells us he was scoring but the other team was scoring more
not true... Nate's +/- numbers are the best on the team

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

Nate is the only regular rotation play with a + while on the court.
Nate is +4 against his oppenent.

To me this is very impressive. Not only is Nate producing more that his opponent but the Knicks are + while he is on the court.

People like to talk about how Nate cant run the team and thats why we need someone like Sessions etc etc

But Nate is the only one with a + number while on the court. The bottom line is whatever lineup the Knicks played last year the ones that played the best were the one's with Nate in them.

He may be a retard but the Knicks are at their best when he's on the floor. #s dont lie

not only that, but he beats out ramon sessions in pretty much every single statistical category. including +/-.

i'm sure sessions' numbers would jump if he came here, but nate is being undervalued.

dolan will probably make walsh trade him because of the speeding ticket any way. same old same old.
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