Good thought. Duhon is likely a goner anyway so we should cash him in.

I think it's good for both teams. Boston's in win-now mode. They'd be getting exactly what they need and they wouldn't be giving up much at all to get it - Scalabrine's a throw-in & a guy they have no use for, Allen's coming off ankle surgery and was snakebit with injuries all year (he may no longer be the same athletic player he once was plus it would open up a spot for JR Giddens) and whoever they'd pick anywhere from 27-30 wouldn't play for years anyway. That team's more of a halfcourt team now and that suits Duhon just fine - he can run a nice halfcourt offense, work the pick & roll well and can hit 3s when guys collapse on their bigs.

Meanwhile, even if we got nothing out of Scalabrine or Allen, the trade's worth it for us for that pick alone - we're a rebuilding work in progress - we could turn that pick into a nice PG for the future (Nic Wise or Sherron Collins), a big man with some promise (AJ Ogilvy) or something else..

[Edited by - finestrg on 08-16-2009 01:37 AM]

I wouldn't do it. We are getting nothing in return for Duhon other than 2 marginal players to clog up our roster and a late round draft pick which we could buy like we did this past year.

I happen to like Duhon and want to keep him this year. He hustles, play excellent team ball; has a very good shot from the 3 and also an excellent FT%. If we do sign Sessions, Duhon could play some time at SG.He isn't the quickest, most athletic guard in the league, but he still is a very good player to have on a team. If we were to trade him, then we should get more back than what this trade offers.

Posted by Finestrg:

No guarantees that a team will be willing to offer us another late 1st for cash again next year. We got luckly with that. Looked like Donnie had a few opportunities but several deals broke down before the Lakers finally stepped up at the last min. and chose to deal with us. It can be done and I'll be pushing for them to do it again (even with this trade) but I wouldn't bank on it and consider it a given. This is a way to get back in the 1st round next year and get something for Duhon before his contract expires w/o impacting the cap. If we went out and got Tinsley or Jason Williams for the year to cover Duhon, we'd take a little hit but not by much. We should still be in "compiling assets" mode. I doubt we could get much more for Duhon.

[Edited by - finestrg on 08-16-2009 08:51 AM]

True, no guarantees about buying a late first rounder.....but in the last 2 years one pick was sold in each year -the 27th in 2008 and 29th pick in 2009. I don't recall every year in the past, but usually one is available. I like the idea of trading for a first rounder in 2010 as you suggested but I think we can do better than Boston's....at least as they are projected right now.

Also, we keep trading our 3 pt shooters and yet this team lives and dies on the 3 pt shot. We took the most 3 pt attempts of any team in the league, yet our % made was 19th out of 30. We traded our 2 best 3 pt shooters at the time (Crawford 44% and Tim T at 42%). Duhon was our best for the entire yr at 39% (Gallo only played 25 games with limited min) We need more 3 pt shooter, not less.

The Knicks should try to get a 1st round pick by trade even if others could become available down the road. But priority should be trading Jeffries before the season if possible. That would help us sign Sessions now and keep the 2010 status intact.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Finestrg:

Chris Duhon for Brian Scalabrine, Tony Allen and their 2010 1st rounder.

Boston is in desperate need of a backup PG to spell Rondo as they prepare to make another run this season. With the Ticket, 'Sheed, Big Baby resigned and the Shelden Williams pick-up they don't need Scalabrine at all and a Tony Allen departure opens up a spot for JR Giddens to play.

As for us, Scalabrine adds a little depth if Lee doesn't come back or we could just buy him out, Allen would provide some depth at the 2 for a year (Scalabrine & Allen are both expiring deals) and we could get a decent player late in the draft with that pick - there are always decent players taken late in the draft every year. We then resume talks with either Tinsley or White Chocolate for a one-year deal and let either one split time with Douglas at the point.

Thoughts?

I've seen this same trade mentioned on the real GM Boston board about two weeks ago--to the tee same players and pick. Personally I would like to try to win first. I want the Knicks to try to win. I actually like Tony Allen[although his character seems to be in question] but Duhon isnt going anywhere right now and maybe not even with Sessions. Tony Allen would give us an athletic 2 guard but I would have to think that we should be able to do better than that. I don't know if acquiring a guy who had death threats last year is worth it to the team as a whole.

Interesting. Do you have the link? I don't read the boards on that site. I actually got the idea after listening to Rice Balls Donahue speculate last Wed. on his radio show that Boston should be in the market for a backup point guard. Once you look at the salaries of both rosters side by side (I did so on Hoopshype.com), it took no time at all to come up with this trade idea. LMAO...believe me pal, if I've ever commented on anything I heard or read somewhere else that wasn't mine, I've always gone out of my way to include the source. Just in case that's what you were getting at...

[Edited by - finestrg on 08-16-2009 2:37 PM]

Why add a 1st round pick? You're kidding right? Ahhh, because we don't have one, we're a rebuilding team, and we should be doing anything we can to add young talent & improve the outlook here. How's that? LOL! Some of you guy's are something else, I swear.

As far as Duhon goes - how good do you guys really think this guy is?? I mean management's out there actively looking to add another PG right now. And that's after adding Toney Douglas. Tells you what they think right there. And do you really think Duhon's capable of putting up better numbers than he did last year where he played almost 37 mins/game and averaged 11 & 7? If anything, now with Douglas on board with possibly another PG on the way to wack up the minutes with, Duhon's numbers will probably take a dip, therefore decreasing his value to most teams.

I highly doubt Duhon's value will ever be any higher than it is right now. This is a good trade for both teams.


[Edited by - finestrg on 08-17-2009 2:20 PM]

Way to early to trade Duhan. Trades makes sense once season is underway.

Hughes is expiring and here for the season. Typical Larry Hughes season will be injury filled and if we have ute to play he gets bought out mid year. Not an ugly thing, he gets freedom and can help a contender and feel some love.

Posted by Nalod:

Way to early to trade Duhan. Trades makes sense once season is underway.

Hughes is expiring and here for the season. Typical Larry Hughes season will be injury filled and if we have ute to play he gets bought out mid year. Not an ugly thing, he gets freedom and can help a contender and feel some love.

Suppose Boston goes out and gets another backup point guard like Tinsley, Jay Williams, etc.. Then what? I can't picture Donnie fielding too many calls for Duhon each day. Boston is an ideal destination for him. The Celts would go for this deal right now I think. Larry Hughes is making big money - I don't see a buyout in his future. Donnie already said he's not into buyouts, he doesn't think it's good business..