The last 4 games KVH numbers are: 16pts & 9rebs against the LAKERS / 19pts & 10rebs against the WARRIORS / 15pts & 5rebs against the BLAZERS / 18pts & 10rebs against the PISTONS !!!!!! That is pretty damn consistant !!!!! PLEASE SHUT UP AND GO SIT IN THE CORNER WITH A DUNCE HAT ON YA NOGGIN !!!!! lol....

I like Keith Van Horn. He can SOMETIMES be inconsistant, but he's a pretty good player, and yes I liked the trade.

Yeah, like I said, KVH has good games and WE LOSE. All the stats you dropped for over the last 4 games, and how many did we win?!?

NONE!

I hope he gets all-star numbers this season so we'd be a lock to get a high lottery pick. Yo, we are 7-15. Are you proud of that too? We may be 10 games under .500 before we win a game. We'll still miss the playoffs in a sub-par Eastern conference.

Ya girlfriend Queef Van Horn gotta be TRADED. Keep up the good work coming up with those Utah deals.

my bad on the caps bro !!! Just making a point !!! HARDCORE you brought up the sats dawg, don't hide behind that skirt now !! lol...

They are still crying like lil' girls after reality slapped those rose-colored glasses the hell off just like I did before things even got this hot.

You so bad a man with your bitch talk!

We lost lots of games with your boy Spree also.

You see the sucky truth clear as day.

what will you do if team finishes hot, and playa is more right than you are? You man enough? Can you take bitch talk as you dish it?

Yeah KVh is consistent when the team is losing. Lets look at his stats in the 7 games NY has won.

@Orl 32 min 14 pts 8 reb
Sac 39 20 13
Bos 35 21 7
NOR 22 7 4

avg 32 15.5 7.9

Season AVGs - 15.5ppg/1.6apg/7.2rpg/3.7fouls/3.3 to's/39.6 fg%


he DID NOT PLAY in the other 3 wins....NY is 3-3 without him, 4-12 with. With Spree, a team with less talent last year, was 36-37! No DEKE no DICE.

How many fouls has he committed that has cost us points and how many defensive lapses?
59 fouls 25 assists 53 TO's!!!

Spree this year:17.8 ppg /3.7 apg/4.5 rpg/29 fouls/78 ass/46 to's

Who is better? Who has heart? Who has leadership?

The trade for KVH made sense for a team rebuilding, but now they have Deke and Dice back. That size would have offset the smallness of SPree at SF. KVH was needed if they would not address the other issues. But they did, so why do you need a PF playing SF? His ball skills suck (NYis To the ball more now) and his shooting is worse than Spree's!

KVH is younger, YES. He is bigger, YES. IS he going to be better than Spree 5 years from now? Probably. But over the course of Spree's contract, he is a better player than KVH. They got worse and a bigger contract. That is bad GM work.

Next issue, please.

if the knicks were a young and dumb team that is up and coming, then i wouldnt mind 7 and 15, but to have a veteran team making the money they make on that team (i think they have three maxed out guys, the lakers dont even have three guys maxed out) it's preposterous.

here is the question can anyone get better on the team than they are right now, with the execption of williams??? anyone that is currently playing

Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Yeah KVh is consistent when the team is losing. Lets look at his stats in the 7 games NY has won.

@Orl 32 min 14 pts 8 reb
Sac 39 20 13
Bos 35 21 7
NOR 22 7 4

avg 32 15.5 7.9

Season AVGs - 15.5ppg/1.6apg/7.2rpg/3.7fouls/3.3 to's/39.6 fg%


he DID NOT PLAY in the other 3 wins....NY is 3-3 without him, 4-12 with. With Spree, a team with less talent last year, was 36-37! No DEKE no DICE.

How many fouls has he committed that has cost us points and how many defensive lapses?
59 fouls 25 assists 53 TO's!!!

Spree this year:17.8 ppg /3.7 apg/4.5 rpg/29 fouls/78 ass/46 to's

Who is better? Who has heart? Who has leadership?

The trade for KVH made sense for a team rebuilding, but now they have Deke and Dice back. That size would have offset the smallness of SPree at SF. KVH was needed if they would not address the other issues. But they did, so why do you need a PF playing SF? His ball skills suck (NYis To the ball more now) and his shooting is worse than Spree's!

KVH is younger, YES. He is bigger, YES. IS he going to be better than Spree 5 years from now? Probably. But over the course of Spree's contract, he is a better player than KVH. They got worse and a bigger contract. That is bad GM work.

Next issue, please.

Good looking out on those stats. They came in right on time.

of course people are goign to try and find ways to cope with disappointments !! What is wrong with "being afraid of losing" or "talking tuff to cover up the softness?"

ALl those listed are defense mechanisms. They are very standard and I have absolutely no problem with that. What do u suggest the right way for a fan to behave is?

I doubt anyone would want to defend management at this point. There is nothing for them to say anyway.

of course people are goign to try and find ways to cope with disappointments !! What is wrong with "being afraid of losing" or "talking tuff to cover up the softness?"
ALl those listed are defense mechanisms. They are very standard and I have absolutely no problem with that. What do u suggest the right way for a fan to behave is?

Far more reasonable response than I would have imagined.

I guess you can run and hide like Playa, Or gloat.

One could SCREEM!

I cope by tune them out. They start to lose, I shut it off and read a book. Perhaps they come back and I miss it. The more they lose, the less interested I become. Im not abandoning them, I just see it as bad entertainment and really don't want to invest in losing. I really have no interest in seeing this team live, nor spend the time and money to do so. I am involved in youth sports and find great satisfaction in volunteerism ourside of my family and my business life.

Pro sports loses its soul every year. I am disgusted with the mets, and the yankees now. The red sox are losing their soul also with Yankee like moves. Free agent teams are boring and not real.

I am excited with Layden's move to accumulate youthful talent and wish he plays them soon. Keeping draft picks, Vujanic could yield some exciting times ahead. Drafteing a young core is very high on my book. KVH is so bashed I root for his comeback and growth. I like watching Doleac get better and build a career from hard work. He is not gifted like others and has to really work on fundamentals to stay in the league. It is not easy to stay in the NBA unless you have a great contract. Guys like FatSpoon would not even be here, let alone making 5 mil a year!

I hate we are the most ineffecient team in sports. I am encouraged by some signs that will change in time. We are not making the same mistakes that created this mess. We might not be playing rookies, but at least we have some now. And they might have potential.

Frank I think is very flawed, very awkward shot but can slash and drive. He looks good because the other two don't! I am not sure of his upside. Vujanic should be well scouted and I have great hope his game will translate well into the NBA.

Sweet needs more work, and Lampe has a great personality who could be a joy to watch grow.

Give me a core of rookies, watch them grow, then I can become emotionally attached. Kind of like Pettit-Jeter-Maranio-posada-bernie core. I watched those guys in the minors! Jeter in single A ball in Greensboro, NC broke the South Atlantic League record for errors in a season! Potential was there obviously! That stuff is cool.

Frustration with team dates back to the late 1970's with bringing in guys that are to be instant superstars. Its entertaining at times and it fills the garden, but just does not hook me in.

I am patient and still think this team can make some noise. I fear we panic and make a dumb trade.

Laydog is his own man, and I hope he stays that way while building a program we can be proud of one day.