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SteveSmith
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7/26/2009  11:56 AM
From the Oak Topic, I got the idea of something back into my mind I've allways wanted to know:

Is there any education that somebody has to do to call himself coach in the NBA?

Let me give you the example bout what I think. In Football, yes Football, not called Soccer by us Europeans ^^, there is a strict rule that you have to do some time of teaching by the national football association of your country, until you got your "degree" as Coach.
In Germany, that time is rather short. There is an course of lectures of about 2 month and an fixed time of practical work with teams. In comparisation to that, those guys who want to become a coach in the Netherlands, have to go throuth 4 years of theoretical and practical education with the association and with the best teams of the country. They know exactly how the work is done by the best of the best. They got years of experience before they become responsible for their own team.

The result of that is that the Dutch coaches are among the best in the world, every dutch player is scooled by the best and knows what to do, and when to do it. That is a tiny small country right next to us, and becouse of their "wholistic" education, they are amongst the best of the world.

Right back to my question from the beginning: Is their something comparable over there in the NBA? No question, there are retired players that will make fine coaches, but I think nobody would argue with me, when I say that if somebody wants to be coach and has to get over at LA and study Phil, come back to Orlando to get SVG teaching and visits courses held by Riley or Brown would be a better X and Os coach afterwards.

Is there something like that? Would that be possible? What do you guys think about it?

Thanks for your attention!
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EwingsGlass
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7/26/2009  12:24 PM
Yeah, its still called soccer in America. I can't wait til football season starts either... go Big Blue. Not sure football coaches need degrees, but I bet Tom Coughlin has a degree in whoopass. Also,I am not sure how good the dutch are at football...I heard NFL Europe failed...

But no, NBA 'coaches' don't have any certification requirements. Probably would make sense to have some sort of process to get better coaches into the league, cause most of the existing coaches and GMs are recycling around the league, garbage in garbage out style.
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7/26/2009  12:26 PM
Posted by SteveSmith:

From the Oak Topic, I got the idea of something back into my mind I've allways wanted to know:

Is there any education that somebody has to do to call himself coach in the NBA?

Let me give you the example bout what I think. In Football, yes Football, not called Soccer by us Europeans ^^, there is a strict rule that you have to do some time of teaching by the national football association of your country, until you got your "degree" as Coach.
In Germany, that time is rather short. There is an course of lectures of about 2 month and an fixed time of practical work with teams. In comparisation to that, those guys who want to become a coach in the Netherlands, have to go throuth 4 years of theoretical and practical education with the association and with the best teams of the country. They know exactly how the work is done by the best of the best. They got years of experience before they become responsible for their own team.

The result of that is that the Dutch coaches are among the best in the world, every dutch player is scooled by the best and knows what to do, and when to do it. That is a tiny small country right next to us, and becouse of their "wholistic" education, they are amongst the best of the world.

Right back to my question from the beginning: Is their something comparable over there in the NBA? No question, there are retired players that will make fine coaches, but I think nobody would argue with me, when I say that if somebody wants to be coach and has to get over at LA and study Phil, come back to Orlando to get SVG teaching and visits courses held by Riley or Brown would be a better X and Os coach afterwards.

Is there something like that? Would that be possible? What do you guys think about it?

Thanks for your attention!

We really have an apprentice system- you come up as an assistant, and move up from there. Nothing official- no "degrees," but it has been the way we have done things here for many years. It also helps if you have played higher level sports- college and pro, and been exposed to top coaches and their methods.

I know that there are many HS clinics for coaches to go to. I coach wrestling in HS, and have gone to numerous clinics given by top world wrestlers. I know that in the 1960's and 70's, my father used to go to an annual football clinic in Atlantic City, where the best professional and college coaches would come to teach and talk.
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SteveSmith
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7/26/2009  1:04 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Yeah, its still called soccer in America. I can't wait til football season starts either... go Big Blue. Not sure football coaches need degrees, but I bet Tom Coughlin has a degree in whoopass. Also,I am not sure how good the dutch are at football...I heard NFL Europe failed...

But no, NBA 'coaches' don't have any certification requirements. Probably would make sense to have some sort of process to get better coaches into the league, cause most of the existing coaches and GMs are recycling around the league, garbage in garbage out style.


Sorry for the mixup. I indeed was talking about Soccer, but refering to it as Football as is common over here in Europe ;)

And that part about recycling all the coaches over and over again is something that is pretty evident.

Is it like that? You go for coaching the local HS team, until some college wants you until you sometime get into beeing an assistent in an NBA team, hoping to get the headcoach someday?

Because that is indeed quite a good way to know every aspect of your sport, but the chances to make it are rather slim, I guess.
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7/26/2009  2:31 PM
Posted by SteveSmith:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Yeah, its still called soccer in America. I can't wait til football season starts either... go Big Blue. Not sure football coaches need degrees, but I bet Tom Coughlin has a degree in whoopass. Also,I am not sure how good the dutch are at football...I heard NFL Europe failed...

But no, NBA 'coaches' don't have any certification requirements. Probably would make sense to have some sort of process to get better coaches into the league, cause most of the existing coaches and GMs are recycling around the league, garbage in garbage out style.

Sorry for the mixup. I indeed was talking about Soccer, but refering to it as Football as is common over here in Europe ;)

And that part about recycling all the coaches over and over again is something that is pretty evident.

Is it like that? You go for coaching the local HS team, until some college wants you until you sometime get into beeing an assistent in an NBA team, hoping to get the headcoach someday?

Because that is indeed quite a good way to know every aspect of your sport, but the chances to make it are rather slim, I guess.

I'm not sure the progression goes like that, but to be honest, I have never seen any studies about how coaches get to where they end up. I don't think most pro coaches start at the HS level and worked their way up, but I have no stats on that. Seems like a lot of the assistant coaches in pro sports did play ball at the higher levels of their respective sports, but there are exceptions. I don't know how many HS coaches actually jump into college coaching, because so many of them are also teachers- at least thats how it is in NYC.
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7/26/2009  3:23 PM
Lol, football only means 1 thing outside of US. In every other country it means soccer. Interesting that football in america is a name of a sport where the ball is not even touched with feet like 99% of the game. Whats even more interesting is that every american i talk to about this is very proud of their "football" and most feel almost offended to find out that they call football is not really football. The term used in Russia(not sure about other countries) is "American football"
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SteveSmith
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7/26/2009  3:36 PM
Posted by ramtour420:

The term used in Russia(not sure about other countries) is "American football"

Japp, same over here.
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7/26/2009  10:30 PM
Posted by ramtour420:

Lol, football only means 1 thing outside of US. In every other country it means soccer. Interesting that football in america is a name of a sport where the ball is not even touched with feet like 99% of the game. Whats even more interesting is that every american i talk to about this is very proud of their "football" and most feel almost offended to find out that they call football is not really football. The term used in Russia(not sure about other countries) is "American football"

Those silly americans
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7/26/2009  10:58 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by ramtour420:

Lol, football only means 1 thing outside of US. In every other country it means soccer. Interesting that football in america is a name of a sport where the ball is not even touched with feet like 99% of the game. Whats even more interesting is that every american i talk to about this is very proud of their "football" and most feel almost offended to find out that they call football is not really football. The term used in Russia(not sure about other countries) is "American football"

Those silly americans

Football in US is not only a sport game. I think the sport game is just a small part of it.
It is cultural phenomenon. Whole families are following it for generation. It is place to meet and place to celebrate.
It is in the language and in the movies, in books and in stories.
Soccer is more of a sport not a national tradition. Except may be Brazil, Argentina, and some other Latin American countries where soccer is almost same as football for Americans.
Same is true and even more so about Baseball.
These 2 games are difficult to understand if you are new to US. They look boring if you have no knowledge of a bunch of stuff unrelated to what is going on the field.
But if someone want to understand American people he must understand this 2 games.






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