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unstopaball12
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7/25/2009  7:01 AM
the article that was written aout him now just shows how much he dosent wasnt to leave the knicks this year.. I think he finds donnie as a fther figure and im glad he knows that he needs to pass the ball more if he think he can be a good complementary player to the 2 stars we sign next offseason then i think he will settle for the MLE which will be considered a steal as he will be in his prime.not like david lee who thinks he is a 12 million player.but my question is if we sign lebron who will go to the bench al,gallo or will? i want to say al but i tihnk gallo will most likely anyways here is the article

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7/25/2009  7:47 AM
During the exit interview, Harrington got the message. "Get my teammates more involved, get more assists," Harrington recalled. "My goal this year is to average 4-5 [assists]."

"At this point of my career, I'm where I want to be," Harrington said. "I've been a Knick fan when I was little. When I say it, I really mean it. I've always wanted to be a Knick. I want to finish my career here."
We never hear anything close to this from D Lee. I'm not saying he's a horrible person but he seems to not care what team he plays for as long as he gets big bucks.
I'm training so hard, two-a-days in midsummer," Harrington told The Post. "I usually don't do that.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-25-2009 08:31 AM]
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7/25/2009  8:21 AM
That is one of the best news we've had all offseason and if he settles for MLE-like money, that will be a great thing for us.
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7/25/2009  8:32 AM
I know that Al HangOnTheRim wants to stay here and that Donnie likes him but the thing that drives me nuts about him is his chucking. I'm sorry but any time you have a Harrington or an Arenas or a Crawful on your team they automatically make themselves the #1 option. So now you're at the point where you will live or die by exactly how they play. Do you want to live and die by the way HangOnTheRim plays? So when he scores 25 on 12-20 we're winning but when he goes 3-17 we're losing.

Is this what we want? Well, if we keep him that is what we get. There is no getting around it there is no making him a 2nd or 3rd option it is not in his nature. While he is a very good player he is no superstar. You just don't want a guy like Al (OR Craw, Zach, Arenas, Iverson, etc) being your top gun - and as I said - if they're on the team they're GOING TO BE the TOP GUN.

Then....you lose games.

No thanks to Al. How we would replace his scoring I'm not certain but he is just not a team player out there. He gets in his zone and does his thing and when he's doing that if he's not on fire then we're suffering.

Just can't win if that's what you have going on.
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7/25/2009  10:27 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

I know that Al HangOnTheRim wants to stay here and that Donnie likes him but the thing that drives me nuts about him is his chucking. I'm sorry but any time you have a Harrington or an Arenas or a Crawful on your team they automatically make themselves the #1 option. So now you're at the point where you will live or die by exactly how they play. Do you want to live and die by the way HangOnTheRim plays? So when he scores 25 on 12-20 we're winning but when he goes 3-17 we're losing.

Is this what we want? Well, if we keep him that is what we get. There is no getting around it there is no making him a 2nd or 3rd option it is not in his nature. While he is a very good player he is no superstar. You just don't want a guy like Al (OR Craw, Zach, Arenas, Iverson, etc) being your top gun - and as I said - if they're on the team they're GOING TO BE the TOP GUN.

Then....you lose games.

No thanks to Al. How we would replace his scoring I'm not certain but he is just not a team player out there. He gets in his zone and does his thing and when he's doing that if he's not on fire then we're suffering.

Just can't win if that's what you have going on.

I liked how he played. I don't remember him being a chucker IN GS, and if he was, it's probably purely b/c that's what he was allowed to do b/c you're allowed to chuck in that system. He probably has some habits he has to brush off. However, I can still see him being a very good scorer for us. If he can keep his emotion in check and not act stupid the way he did when we played LA and GS, I think we have ourselves a very good player that can be part of a system.
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7/25/2009  10:31 AM
Don't get me wrong I like Al Harrington I just feel he's one of those guys that isn't a SUPERstar but tries to play like it. So when he's off, which is far more often than a superstar, you're losing a lot of games because of it.

I view him as an immense trade asset more than someone that will be retained.

How do you force a guy like him to be more team oriented, or more of a role player than a top gun? I don't think you can. So then, guys like Al force their way into being your #1 option and then you live and die with them.

Since he's not a superstar you're never going to be a great team with a guy like Al trying to carry you.

It's just the way it is with some of these guys. Doesn't make them bad. Just makes them a less than acceptable team oriented player. You need teammates to win. Al tries to do it himself.

That's where the team fails. Same with Crawford, Zach, Iverson, Arenas, etc. Guys like this play their hearts out but their teams ultimately fail. Why is that? I think the answer is simple. They have little idea of the team concept. They feel it's up to them to do everything offensively. So then you live and die by them. Well, you die more than you live with guys like this.

You have to move away from guys like Al. You just can never force them to play a role. They have to be the star and they're not stars. Don Nelson said it best on Al: He thinks he's a superstar and he's not.

That line of thinking will sink your team. You need players who share. Al doesn't share.
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7/25/2009  11:16 AM
Al brings more to the game than a Crawford or Zach. He has been on teams where he has been asked to be the top gun, but if he is in the 2010 plan it will be to be a 6th man, which would be a great role for him if by then we are a more solid team with at least a superstar or allstar in place.
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7/25/2009  11:54 AM
Yeah there's a difference in scoring being top gun then knowing when to score a winning games. It's maturity all day and I think kobe had finally figure that out last year when he face boston in the finals.

That one man show is going to hinder your team mates at some cruicial point in a game. We saw that with james in these recent playoffs.

I like the fact that he is setting a goal to avg 4/5 ast pg, I truly believe that every player should avg no less then 2.5 ast a game mandatory.

Al needs to get it right.
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7/25/2009  12:01 PM
I agree with all the criticisms but he sounds more serious than ever about improving his game. I like the fact that he said his goal is to average 4 to 5 assists a game. I'm willing to give him 2+ months without trying to trade him and see if his game has changed. That still leaves plenty of time to simply use him as a valuable trade asset or to decide that he's part of our future.
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7/25/2009  2:14 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Al brings more to the game than a Crawford or Zach. He has been on teams where he has been asked to be the top gun, but if he is in the 2010 plan it will be to be a 6th man, which would be a great role for him if by then we are a more solid team with at least a superstar or allstar in place.

Yet it's the same result: More losing than winning. knicks1248 outlines it perfectly.

And, Al may be saying the right things, but Crawful always said the right things then came right back with his same destructive game.

It is what it is with guys like this. They don't change. And if they do it's for about three weeks or so before regressing right back to what they know.

I like Harrington but let's face facts: 32 win team, chucking forward, the desire to develop youth = Al Harrington packing his bags.

He is a tremendous trade asset, maybe the best we got. Use it.

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7/25/2009  2:30 PM
One question, who would you guys rather have, Harrington, or Odom?

Odom shoots close to 50% and gets more boards, but Al scores a lot more, I personally take Odom because he could average 20 if he took those many shots per game, but its a fair comparison in terms of what Harrington could get in the open market.
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7/25/2009  2:53 PM
Posted by thejerk:

One question, who would you guys rather have, Harrington, or Odom?

Odom shoots close to 50% and gets more boards, but Al scores a lot more, I personally take Odom because he could average 20 if he took those many shots per game, but its a fair comparison in terms of what Harrington could get in the open market.

Odom is more of a team player so the question itself isolated from the Knicks situation? Odom without a doubt.

Now, looking to sign Odom to the Knicks? If you're wondering about that? I don't see how it fits our continued rebuilding process. Too old to tie up big money into him.

But, again, the question standing alone? Odom > Harrington. Why? Teamwork! Which is quite essential to a team succeeding.
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7/25/2009  3:16 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by thejerk:

One question, who would you guys rather have, Harrington, or Odom?

Odom shoots close to 50% and gets more boards, but Al scores a lot more, I personally take Odom because he could average 20 if he took those many shots per game, but its a fair comparison in terms of what Harrington could get in the open market.

Odom is more of a team player so the question itself isolated from the Knicks situation? Odom without a doubt.
Now, looking to sign Odom to the Knicks? If you're wondering about that? I don't see how it fits our continued rebuilding process. Too old to tie up big money into him.

But, again, the question standing alone? Odom > Harrington. Why? Teamwork! Which is quite essential to a team succeeding.

Odom's definitely better than Harrington--he's a better passer, shot-blocker, and rebounder. I don't think it's even close actually. I agree he could average 20 PPG if he wanted to too.
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7/25/2009  4:03 PM
Al is what he is - a decent player - not great, but not horrible. He has a pretty good shot, he can drive, play decent defense and will board some. He's not as good as Odom.
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7/25/2009  4:17 PM
I get the point of your record dictating your value but there is always a player on a losing team that with the right cast and the right role end up being great additions. I wouldn't want Al as my main guy, but given his true and well documented love for the Knicks and the fact that he would be a great sixth man on a solid team (what we hope to be in 2010) he would be a nice piece of the puzzle at the right price and role.
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7/25/2009  4:24 PM
I like Al's game for the most part. He is a chucker, but he also passes, plays decent defense, and seems like generally a good teammate. Plus, when he gets into a zone, he can put up 25 pts on anyone. Honestly, he is a better SF than Chandler at this point, although Chandler shows more promise on defense. If we can resign him to a MLE type contract next summer, I would not be opposed to that move. It all depends on whether Gallo blows up. If Gallo has a great year and Chandler has a great year, then you either have to move Chandler to SG and let Harrington play the SF spot, with Gallo at PF, or you let Harrington go.
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7/25/2009  4:45 PM
If he's serious about those 4-5 assist a game, I welcome him back with open arms. But I hope he's serious. Not just talking junk like Crawford did.
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7/25/2009  5:43 PM
I think Harrington words are genuine. He's been saying it since he's gotten here.

His game and body has changed so much since he first came in the league. I think he will definately attempt to change for the system and so he can stick around and continue his career in NY.
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7/25/2009  7:08 PM
I would like to have intelligent players on the team.
Looking on what Al did during his NBA run and with Knicks he is... well stupid.
He is not for system. And he is not for any system. Should be great on playground.
Teams with plan to be good should stay away from this kind of players.
And all this "I love NY stuff" is bull. If you like NY why you are embarrassing NY fans with what you do?
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7/25/2009  9:18 PM
I like Al Harrington more than i like David Lee. There, how about them apples? d Lee turned out to be a douche, reminiscent of Marbury style(but with brains). So yeah, i hope Al does get them assists this year and maybe plays with more smarts and a bit less heart.
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