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BRIGGS
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7/15/2009  12:01 AM
3 years 4.5mm$ contract and forget about these 35 year old guys. Then you would have two 23 year old PGs and when Duhon expires you have two guys who should be very solid locked in for years at 1mm per each. We need guard depth and he really has been the unrestricted PG standout. Add Almond and Williams on the cheap. Anyone can see this guy is a player who just was in an unfortunate situation in GS--he was playing great in NJ until he got hurt and just never recovered in his short time there with Kidd in front of him. Lets steal him
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7/15/2009  12:02 AM
This must be a joke, right?
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7/15/2009  12:05 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

This must be a joke, right?

The way the NBA is right now it's important to get a few good skill players locked to cheap contracts. It's a smart way to do business. Chris Duhon broke down last year and Nate Robinson might be taking off. Someone is going to snatch him up quick real soon. To say Marcus Williams stinks etc.. its a pretty poor argument--anyone can see he can play.
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7/15/2009  1:07 AM
i'd let nate go and sign marcus. everybody from david thorpe tweeting on true hoop covering summerleague to eric snow has been high on williams. i like it, a pure pass first guy like him i would imagine would thrive in this offense.
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7/15/2009  1:25 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

i'd let nate go and sign marcus. everybody from david thorpe tweeting on true hoop covering summerleague to eric snow has been high on williams. i like it, a pure pass first guy like him i would imagine would thrive in this offense.

He's a guy who is worthy of a nice little commitment. I know we have Douglas and Duhon--but we might lose Nate and all of these guys can shift over or play in a three guard set. One problem we have had is the guys we want to trade have 10mm contracts and the guys we want to keep want 10mm $ We need a few guys who make 1 or 2mm who can also play some basketball. Almost like what the lakers did with Shannon Brown. Its not that he played a huge role but he played a solid small role and had the talent to do it. Id rather have three guards who can play than one center sene who clearly is not NBA.
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7/15/2009  2:25 AM
I still havent seen the Knicks summer league game ( will in a few minutes)...but i did see Marcus williams first game in summer league....he looked awesome. People forget what a point guard is until you see a true point guard play. Marcus Williams is a true point guard. He needs to be on someone's roster...knicks need a play maker...can't wait to see him play against TD
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7/15/2009  3:44 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

3 years 4.5mm$ contract and forget about these 35 year old guys. Then you would have two 23 year old PGs and when Duhon expires you have two guys who should be very solid locked in for years at 1mm per each. We need guard depth and he really has been the unrestricted PG standout. Add Almond and Williams on the cheap. Anyone can see this guy is a player who just was in an unfortunate situation in GS--he was playing great in NJ until he got hurt and just never recovered in his short time there with Kidd in front of him. Lets steal him

+1. I'm with you here. Only thing is I think Memphis may be serious about keeping him. He played well against us today, Memphis needs PG depth behind Conley bad and I still say the team that commits to bringing in a player for summer ball has the upper hand to retain said player for training camp and beyond when the time comes over other teams. Look what Morris Almond said today after the game: "New York is the team that asked me to come to summer league so this is who I want to play for." Still, if we can grab him on the cheap, he'd be a steal for us. He can play. With you 100%. We should've drafted this kid when he slipped a few years ago when we had a shot...

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7/15/2009  7:47 AM
I've got to believe Walsh had no interest or he would have invited him to summer league.

There was a story in the last month about a kid who tried out for one of our assistant coaches trying to get an invite to summer league, and the comment from the knick official was there would be no room for another PG, that we would have enough on the roster.

I took that to mean the Knicks would draft a PG.

But outside of Douglas, who do we have- assuming you slot him in as the back up?
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7/15/2009  8:02 AM
because he sucks. He's proven to be an average athlete, a defensive liability and a head case... but you want to give him a multi year deal? He's a SL non roster invite for the same reason Morris Almond and Skita are.
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7/15/2009  8:12 AM
I wouldn't mind inviting the guy to camp or even giving him a non-guaranteed contract for a season or part of one, but I wouldn't give him a guaranteed contract. Summer league play isn't a basis for giving out guaranteed contracts, especially to a player who looked bad in his three seasons in the nba.
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7/15/2009  8:31 AM
I agree. nothing about last night's game said give Williams 3 yrs. he still takes alot of bad shots and makes bad gambles passing.
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7/15/2009  8:44 AM
why not give him a laptop?
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7/15/2009  8:59 AM
I think, if a team decides to take a chance on him, it won't be a team like the Knicks that wants to run a lot.
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7/15/2009  9:02 AM
I liked how Williams could drive against us. His passing was pretty good and creative. I didn't notice him much defensively and he clearly didn't play as well against us (in the assist column) as he did before. That is the thing about summer league. When no defense is being played you get crazy stats across the board. I like Williams but would prefer to go with Douglas right now. If Williams isn't signed and the coaches don't think Douglas can handle the backup role (Which after an 11 assist, 0 turnover performance isn't likely)then we should revisit it.
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7/15/2009  9:48 AM
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7/15/2009  2:17 PM
I've always been a Marcus fan. I thought we should have drafted him during the Balkman year, blah, blah, blah. I think he went south in NJ when he/they tried to change who he is as a player. In college he was a pass first PG that ran the offense better than any PG in college basketball. Suddenly he gets to the pros and Jersey has him playing the 2 guard next to JKidd. Sorry but he isn't a 2 guard and there are more talented scorers in the D league. But if he can get back to being who he really is, I think he has the talent to not only be in the league but to one day earn a starting spot.

Unfortunately I also know a lot about him (you can see some of it in his career trajectory) and he tends to be a self sabotager(is that a word) in many areas of his life. If he has success will he do it again? Hopefully he has grown up. If so, I think he has the talent to be a player in the league.

Should the Knicks sign him. I would not be opposed to it. Low money for a guy with potential would not be a bad idea but.........Unfortunately the Knicks are still in a precarious position. The reason it will take longer to build here is because we are in the middle of a cultural shift. Unfortunately we are in a position where we need to find veterans that can lead. Does that mean we can't bring in a guy like Marcus? No. But signing to a multi year contract based on summer league play is probably not a good idea.
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7/15/2009  2:22 PM
I think we're likely to stay away from players with problematic personalities and that's a good thing.

There's a number of reasons that Marcus is a walk on tryout on the Grizzlies SL team....and none of them are good.

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7/15/2009  2:29 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I've always been a Marcus fan. I thought we should have drafted him during the Balkman year, blah, blah, blah. I think he went south in NJ when he/they tried to change who he is as a player. In college he was a pass first PG that ran the offense better than any PG in college basketball. Suddenly he gets to the pros and Jersey has him playing the 2 guard next to JKidd. Sorry but he isn't a 2 guard and there are more talented scorers in the D league. But if he can get back to being who he really is, I think he has the talent to not only be in the league but to one day earn a starting spot.

Unfortunately I also know a lot about him (you can see some of it in his career trajectory) and he tends to be a self sabotager(is that a word) in many areas of his life. If he has success will he do it again? Hopefully he has grown up. If so, I think he has the talent to be a player in the league.

Should the Knicks sign him. I would not be opposed to it. Low money for a guy with potential would not be a bad idea but.........Unfortunately the Knicks are still in a precarious position. The reason it will take longer to build here is because we are in the middle of a cultural shift. Unfortunately we are in a position where we need to find veterans that can lead. Does that mean we can't bring in a guy like Marcus? No. But signing to a multi year contract based on summer league play is probably not a good idea.

I dont really consider a mutli year contract paying a player in the 1mm dollar range a mutli year contract. It's a fluid contract with very small NBA $ that can be moved at will. Why would I offer him two years with a third year option--because multiple teams are going to move in soon enough.
It's strategy of what you want on your bench--I dont want Sene's if I can get Marcus Williams's.
I really believe MW can help this team and be a rotation player--thats pretty good for a mm.

If we ended up spending 1mm per on Marcus/ Almond/ a Leo Lyons--you have 3 young players who can fill the back of the bench at a very minimal cost but can actually play NBA basketball. Thats a strategy to manage the cap. With the cap going down next year--you have to have 5 guys making 1mm or less but they cant be guys who cant play--they have to be quality depth with upside.
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7/15/2009  2:31 PM
Not a bad argument, Briggs. I have trouble getting past MWs past. But, I guess if he can help the team I am for it.
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7/15/2009  2:32 PM
Great point about the small contracts Briggs. With that in mind if he would sign for that amount it's a win win situation. Not sure about his outside shot, but he can distribute the ball and that is what is important. If his head is on straight he might be a very very good orchestrator for this offense. The guy can really pass the ball.
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