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EnySpree
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12/4/2003  6:49 PM
How did the previous Frank Thread turn into a Charles Barkley discussion.

Frank needs to play more and regardless of what Ward has been doing lately nothing can take the place of Frank Williams vision and decision making ability on the court.

Knicks need to look at what this team can be by January not the next game. Take a look at the Bonzi Wells trade. Memphis already has a fleet of swingmen that could start and contribute so why add another? They realize they arent going anywhere unless they can get a guy that can carry the scoring load consistantly and Bonzi has shown he could put up all-star numbers. They already have the bodies down low. Bonzi alone could solidify that team.

The Knicks move the ball well but when the other team steps up the defense the Knicks have shown a lack of creativity and have allowed teams to pick them apart without a fight. Frank is not Marbury but he has shown signs of being that player that disrupts defenses and opens lanes for plays outside of the offensive set.

Even without Dyess the Knicks front court was set. The problem lies in the back court. If Toronto would take Doleac for Mo Pete what is the hold up?

If the Knicks didn't have Ward would the Knicks all of a sudden have a 1-15 record a la Orlando. Frank needs to be given the oportunty and Layden needs to open the doors for the future. I think the Knicks are alot closer to being a good team right now that New Jersey who's 1/2 a game back and playing poorly.
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12/4/2003  7:35 PM
Mo Pete is not that good. There is a reason why he never started this year. He is a very average SG who does not need to be brought here for Doleac.

Atleast Doleac can play a center and he is improving. Mo Pete has never played more than 22 mins in any back to back games and has never scored consistently in double figures. His FG% is terrible and his FT% is not excellent for a guard. Why push a trade for him right now?

I doubt he will help the team significantly if at all.
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12/4/2003  11:00 PM
Sorry - I helped turn the last F. Will thread into the barkley thread.

To chime in I like what I have seen of F. Will - but he needs to show more to start.
-----------------------Per 48 minutes
---------FG% 3pt% a/TO A Pts
Williams .338 .217 1.61 6.0 14.5
--Eisley .402 .400 2.93 9.6 15.3
--Ward .454 .423 2.35 10.1 17.1

What I like about Frank Williams the best is his defense. Guys that blow by Eisley he stays in front of.

He has shown the ability to drive but he has not shown he can create more assists or points or less TOs then ward and eisley. He's there third best guard on offense.

[Edited by - oldfan on 12/04/2003 23:10:53]
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12/5/2003  2:03 AM
MO PETE IS NOT THAT GOOD. yes sir, the knicks need to be patient, if they can't find EXACTLY what there looking for, don't panic. as for f.will, he should be the 2nd point. why eisley is so worshiped? ward/williams/..................eisley. in that order.
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12/5/2003  6:50 AM
Look at Mo Pete stats since the trade with Chicago shooting 66% fg - shooting 66% 3pt . Then check his stats come playoff time, Mo Pete is a big game player!
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12/5/2003  10:20 AM
Posted by playa2:

Look at Mo Pete stats since the trade with Chicago shooting 66% fg - shooting 66% 3pt . Then check his stats come playoff time, Mo Pete is a big game player!
Here are Mo Pete's Stats. His minutes played
Game Opp Min FG% FT% 3 R A S B P
11/26 @Atl 23 2 6 .333 0 0 .000 1 4 2 2 0 5
11/28 @Orl 25 2 6 .333 0 0 .000 2 4 4 1 0 6
11/29 @Mia 29 2 9 .222 2 3 .667 2 3 0 0 1 8
12/02 @Phi 16 3 4 .750 1 2 .500 2 2 0 1 0 9
12/03 Bos 20 4 7 .571 3 3 1.00 4 2 2 2 0 15

What exactly here are you so proud off? He attempted 4 shots and 7 shots in his last 2 games.

These are Shandon Anderson's Stats in the 2 games before the one against Seattle
Game Opp Min FG% FT%
11/29 NO 24 4 7 .571 1 2 .500 0 4 0 0 0 9
12/01 Det 23 2 7 .286 0 0 .000 0 6 2 2 0 4
Shandon takes more shots than Mo Pete on a game to game basis!! He rountinely averages 7 shot attempts per game. Mo Pete would just create another logjam and become another Lee Nailon. The knicks should atleast let McDyess play with Houston and KVH for a few more games before considering any trade.

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12/5/2003  10:50 AM
i would do mo pete for Othello....lets hope mo struggles and his value goes down. Then we can def make it happen.
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12/5/2003  11:18 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by playa2:

Look at Mo Pete stats since the trade with Chicago shooting 66% fg - shooting 66% 3pt . Then check his stats come playoff time, Mo Pete is a big game player!
Here are Mo Pete's Stats. His minutes played
Game Opp Min FG% FT% 3 R A S B P
11/26 @Atl 23 2 6 .333 0 0 .000 1 4 2 2 0 5
11/28 @Orl 25 2 6 .333 0 0 .000 2 4 4 1 0 6
11/29 @Mia 29 2 9 .222 2 3 .667 2 3 0 0 1 8
12/02 @Phi 16 3 4 .750 1 2 .500 2 2 0 1 0 9
12/03 Bos 20 4 7 .571 3 3 1.00 4 2 2 2 0 15

What exactly here are you so proud off? He attempted 4 shots and 7 shots in his last 2 games.

These are Shandon Anderson's Stats in the 2 games before the one against Seattle
Game Opp Min FG% FT%
11/29 NO 24 4 7 .571 1 2 .500 0 4 0 0 0 9
12/01 Det 23 2 7 .286 0 0 .000 0 6 2 2 0 4
Shandon takes more shots than Mo Pete on a game to game basis!! He rountinely averages 7 shot attempts per game. Mo Pete would just create another logjam and become another Lee Nailon. The knicks should atleast let McDyess play with Houston and KVH for a few more games before considering any trade.
I SAID SINCE THE TRADE, MEANING THE LAST TWO GAMES, stop twisting my post.
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12/5/2003  11:20 AM
I SAID SINCE THE TRADE, MEANING THE LAST TWO GAMES, stop twisting my post.

Look at the last 2 games!! They are not that great! I posted 5 just to show you that there is not much of a jump. He scored 15 or 16 twice before this season. They were few and far between. I say they should get Terry
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12/6/2003  2:04 AM
talk about "eye to eye" terry is definitely the guy i want. mo pete is alright, but not what i prefer. 12pts/3.5rebs/2ass. ain't all that big a deal, & that's in 29min a game. you know he won't get those mins behind ah.
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12/6/2003  2:26 AM
we will never ever get Terry
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12/6/2003  3:39 PM
Everyone seems to think that getting a backup shooting guard will solve all the Knicks problems. Knicks need to solidify the point guard position by starting Frankie and have Ward back him up. I would love to move Eisely for a bag of potato chips but no one will take that contract. So since we are stuck with Eisley make him the back up shooting guard(which he played in Dallas).
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12/6/2003  3:53 PM
i love that idea. Eisely game is certainly better suit for backup SG. He can't run a team. He dribbles for too long, gets guys the ball in awkward positions and he can't pentrate. If all he did was spot up and shot we'd be much better off. Let Frank and ward be the points.
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12/6/2003  4:32 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
I SAID SINCE THE TRADE, MEANING THE LAST TWO GAMES, stop twisting my post.

Look at the last 2 games!! They are not that great! I posted 5 just to show you that there is not much of a jump. He scored 15 or 16 twice before this season. They were few and far between. I say they should get Terry

Mo Pete hasn't had a good season so far.......true. When Carter went down last year who held Toronto down? Didn't Mo Pete hold Toronto down in the playoffs 2 years ago? Ya'll must have forgot. That's the problem with NY fans.....

When you say Terry, I assume you mean Jason Terry, not Terry Cummings. How dou get Terry in NY? That team doesn't need big men, the Knicks never could make a deal look appealing to them.

Mo Pete has scored double figures on winning teams and is way young. He'd keep Houston fresh. If Shandon was a threat then we wouldn't be talking about it.
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12/6/2003  4:47 PM
Posted by TLover:

Everyone seems to think that getting a backup shooting guard will solve all the Knicks problems. Knicks need to solidify the point guard position by starting Frankie and have Ward back him up. I would love to move Eisely for a bag of potato chips but no one will take that contract. So since we are stuck with Eisley make him the back up shooting guard(which he played in Dallas).

This is the best alternative, but Chaney doesn't think that way. Right now Chaney has bee using Ward and Frank together in the backcourt with Ward playing the 1 Frank the 2. That makes no sense.
Chaney has got to Frank since he like Ward off the bench and make Eisley spell Houston exclusively.

Since Chaney doesn't see it like that and the Knicks need to free up time for Sweetney and Lampe....Knicks need to trade for Mo Pete or someone like him. Knicks need to free up space for the future.
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12/6/2003  4:56 PM
When you say Terry, I assume you mean Jason Terry, not Terry Cummings. How dou get Terry in NY? That team doesn't need big men, the Knicks never could make a deal look appealing to them.

The post yesterday said they (Atlanta) are looking to unload salary and might consider a trade for the knicks salaries that are ending soon.

Mo Pete is not that good and the knicks don't even know what they are going to get from McDyess yet. They should wait for atleast a week before trying to evaluate their needs. I dont think the Mo Pete trade will happen anyway.
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12/6/2003  4:59 PM
Me either but I just want the young guys to play.
I can't see Terry becoming a Knick. The post is never right anyway. If Layd n does that then he should be GM of the year. But until then lets just watch Ward lose another game for us.
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12/6/2003  5:26 PM
rather have ward than eisley. like i said, mo pete is'nt bad, just not what we need. we need a 1-2 that can handle the ball, and an athlete that can score & play the 2-3 spot.(among other things) mo pete does'nt fit that script in my eyes. i don't know if we CAN get terry, but it would be nice. he can get to rim, & hit the outside shot. the only other guy on our sqwd that gets to the basket is fwill, & he has no outside shot.
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