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Declining Cap Could Put the Squeeze on Class of 2010
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djsunyc
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7/7/2009  2:08 PM
Nearly every team in the league is gearing up for 2010 free agency. But based on terms of the collective bargaining agreement, which is designed for teams to retain assets, there are a few million reasons why LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh will opt to remain with their current employers. Previous reports estimated the Cavaliers, Heat, and Raptors would be able to offer their franchise cornerstones extensions worth $30 million more than any other team. Sam Smith, writing for Bulls.com, calculates the difference under a declining cap:

The rub is the new NBA economics. The key is the salary cap and luxury tax set in the summer of 2010. Even NBA commissioner David Stern already has said publicly the cap and thus the luxury tax threshold could be down as much as 10 percent next summer.

If the cap drops 10 percent (two percent decline expected this July for next season), the cap is about $52.6 million. For players going into their seventh season at that point, like James, Wade and Bosh, a max player can receive a top offer of 30 percent of the team’s salary cap if he changes teams. That would be about $15.8 million to start. The raises would be eight percent annually in a five-year deal for about $91.5 million.

A player who elects to stay with his own team for a similar max offer would be eligible for a six-year deal (instead of five) starting at $17.4 million (10.5 percent above their final season). The annual raises would be 10.5 percent instead of eight. That contract would total $132 million.

So if Bosh or Wade or James were to stay with their own teams-assuming the Stern predicted salary can decline-and get a max deal they would be able to sign contracts for $132 million compared with about $91.5 million.

http://ballerblogger.com/2009/07/06/declining-cap-could-put-the-sqeeze-on-class-of-2010/
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7/7/2009  2:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Nearly every team in the league is gearing up for 2010 free agency. But based on terms of the collective bargaining agreement, which is designed for teams to retain assets, there are a few million reasons why LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh will opt to remain with their current employers. Previous reports estimated the Cavaliers, Heat, and Raptors would be able to offer their franchise cornerstones extensions worth $30 million more than any other team. Sam Smith, writing for Bulls.com, calculates the difference under a declining cap:

The rub is the new NBA economics. The key is the salary cap and luxury tax set in the summer of 2010. Even NBA commissioner David Stern already has said publicly the cap and thus the luxury tax threshold could be down as much as 10 percent next summer.

If the cap drops 10 percent (two percent decline expected this July for next season), the cap is about $52.6 million. For players going into their seventh season at that point, like James, Wade and Bosh, a max player can receive a top offer of 30 percent of the team’s salary cap if he changes teams. That would be about $15.8 million to start. The raises would be eight percent annually in a five-year deal for about $91.5 million.

A player who elects to stay with his own team for a similar max offer would be eligible for a six-year deal (instead of five) starting at $17.4 million (10.5 percent above their final season). The annual raises would be 10.5 percent instead of eight. That contract would total $132 million.

So if Bosh or Wade or James were to stay with their own teams-assuming the Stern predicted salary can decline-and get a max deal they would be able to sign contracts for $132 million compared with about $91.5 million.

http://ballerblogger.com/2009/07/06/declining-cap-could-put-the-sqeeze-on-class-of-2010/

so who in the hell would lose out on a potential extra $40m to come to NY?
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7/7/2009  2:40 PM
so who in the hell would lose out on a potential extra $40m to come to NY?

Writers always leave out that 6th year.... if LeBron were to re-sign here, he wouldn't play that year for free! He'd still get his 20 mil in year 6, and it could be the first year of a three year extension which he gets to start a year earlier than he would in Cleveland so that counts for something on its own.

So its more like an extra $20mil that he could easily make up here in 6 years with 3-4mil of endoresments per year tied to NYC.

Heck, bloomberg should pay him 3mil a year to be city spokesman.


[Edited by - kam77 on 07-07-2009 2:42 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/7/2009  2:44 PM
Posted by kam77:
so who in the hell would lose out on a potential extra $40m to come to NY?

Writers always leave out that 6th year if LeBron were to re-sign here, he wouldn't play that year for free. He'd still get his 20 mil. So its more like an extra $20mil that he could easily make up here in 6 years with 3-4mil of endoresments per year tied to NYC.

Heck, bloomberg should pay him 3mil a year to be city spokesman.

[Edited by - kam77 on 07-07-2009 2:41 PM]

And the fact that the 5 year deal would be have a player termination option after 3 that would allow the player to negotiate a bird rights contract after three years. AND the fact that the collective bargaining agreement will expire in 2012 so that it may be beneficial to have a shorter contract.
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7/7/2009  3:25 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Nearly every team in the league is gearing up for 2010 free agency. But based on terms of the collective bargaining agreement, which is designed for teams to retain assets, there are a few million reasons why LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh will opt to remain with their current employers. Previous reports estimated the Cavaliers, Heat, and Raptors would be able to offer their franchise cornerstones extensions worth $30 million more than any other team. Sam Smith, writing for Bulls.com, calculates the difference under a declining cap:

The rub is the new NBA economics. The key is the salary cap and luxury tax set in the summer of 2010. Even NBA commissioner David Stern already has said publicly the cap and thus the luxury tax threshold could be down as much as 10 percent next summer.

If the cap drops 10 percent (two percent decline expected this July for next season), the cap is about $52.6 million. For players going into their seventh season at that point, like James, Wade and Bosh, a max player can receive a top offer of 30 percent of the team’s salary cap if he changes teams. That would be about $15.8 million to start. The raises would be eight percent annually in a five-year deal for about $91.5 million.

A player who elects to stay with his own team for a similar max offer would be eligible for a six-year deal (instead of five) starting at $17.4 million (10.5 percent above their final season). The annual raises would be 10.5 percent instead of eight. That contract would total $132 million.

So if Bosh or Wade or James were to stay with their own teams-assuming the Stern predicted salary can decline-and get a max deal they would be able to sign contracts for $132 million compared with about $91.5 million.

http://ballerblogger.com/2009/07/06/declining-cap-could-put-the-sqeeze-on-class-of-2010/

Not this again..... *sigh*

The max contract is based off of a percentage of the cap. The cap could drop 5M it won't change a thing because a max contract is still a max contract and cannot be more. The lower the cap the lower the max contract number. That lower max contract number will still fit a team who is under the cap to afford a max contract. When that team is under the cap for a 2009 max contract, and the cap drops, they will still be under the cap for a 2010 max contract.

Why this is completely ignored is beyond logic.

But it's just like saying CLE can offer LeBron 30M more.....completely ignoring that it is six years instead of five and the actual number is more like 5-6M - something he easily recoups through endorsements in a bigger market.

But, whatever, the sky is falling I suppose. Let's undo the Crawful and Zachass trades and re-sign Marbury!
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7/7/2009  3:29 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by djsunyc:
Nearly every team in the league is gearing up for 2010 free agency. But based on terms of the collective bargaining agreement, which is designed for teams to retain assets, there are a few million reasons why LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh will opt to remain with their current employers. Previous reports estimated the Cavaliers, Heat, and Raptors would be able to offer their franchise cornerstones extensions worth $30 million more than any other team. Sam Smith, writing for Bulls.com, calculates the difference under a declining cap:

The rub is the new NBA economics. The key is the salary cap and luxury tax set in the summer of 2010. Even NBA commissioner David Stern already has said publicly the cap and thus the luxury tax threshold could be down as much as 10 percent next summer.

If the cap drops 10 percent (two percent decline expected this July for next season), the cap is about $52.6 million. For players going into their seventh season at that point, like James, Wade and Bosh, a max player can receive a top offer of 30 percent of the team’s salary cap if he changes teams. That would be about $15.8 million to start. The raises would be eight percent annually in a five-year deal for about $91.5 million.

A player who elects to stay with his own team for a similar max offer would be eligible for a six-year deal (instead of five) starting at $17.4 million (10.5 percent above their final season). The annual raises would be 10.5 percent instead of eight. That contract would total $132 million.

So if Bosh or Wade or James were to stay with their own teams-assuming the Stern predicted salary can decline-and get a max deal they would be able to sign contracts for $132 million compared with about $91.5 million.

http://ballerblogger.com/2009/07/06/declining-cap-could-put-the-sqeeze-on-class-of-2010/

Not this again..... *sigh*

The max contract is based off of a percentage of the cap. The cap could drop 5M it won't change a thing because a max contract is still a max contract and cannot be more. The lower the cap the lower the max contract number. That lower max contract number will still fit a team who is under the cap to afford a max contract. When that team is under the cap for a 2009 max contract, and the cap drops, they will still be under the cap for a 2010 max contract.

Why this is completely ignored is beyond logic.

But it's just like saying CLE can offer LeBron 30M more.....completely ignoring that it is six years instead of five and the actual number is more like 5-6M - something he easily recoups through endorsements in a bigger market.

But, whatever, the sky is falling I suppose. Let's undo the Crawful and Zachass trades and re-sign Marbury!

Well it's $91.5 mil for 5 years or $132 mil for 6 years. So if the 6th year salary is around $20 mil, then the total income disparity for six years would be closer to $20 mil (not 5-6 mil) unless I'm misunderstanding something. I do think Lebron would easily make that up in endorsements in NYC versus Ohio, though.
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Another year of this speculation. I can't take it!!!!!!!!!!!!
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7/7/2009  4:00 PM
plus the cap dropping more is just speculation at this point, nobody knows how much revenue the nba will make next year. its all speculation.
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7/7/2009  7:36 PM
We find out tomorrow. Right?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/8/2009  7:56 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Well it's $91.5 mil for 5 years or $132 mil for 6 years. So if the 6th year salary is around $20 mil, then the total income disparity for six years would be closer to $20 mil (not 5-6 mil) unless I'm misunderstanding something. I do think Lebron would easily make that up in endorsements in NYC versus Ohio, though.

If true I stand corrected. I am going off of a post I read about a year ago from a pretty knowledgeable person (it might have been Kos from rgm? I don't remember). In the post the two five-year contracts were laid out and in the end it was a total of under 10M in difference. I guess he was wrong.

And, yes, just by sheer numbers of the fanbase - at least 10x more - there's that many more sneakers and jerseys sold and that many more people buying whatever it is he stamps his face on in a commercial - so his royalties would jump 10x just like that. It's probably more...
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7/8/2009  9:07 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Well it's $91.5 mil for 5 years or $132 mil for 6 years. So if the 6th year salary is around $20 mil, then the total income disparity for six years would be closer to $20 mil (not 5-6 mil) unless I'm misunderstanding something. I do think Lebron would easily make that up in endorsements in NYC versus Ohio, though.

If true I stand corrected. I am going off of a post I read about a year ago from a pretty knowledgeable person (it might have been Kos from rgm? I don't remember). In the post the two five-year contracts were laid out and in the end it was a total of under 10M in difference. I guess he was wrong.

And, yes, just by sheer numbers of the fanbase - at least 10x more - there's that many more sneakers and jerseys sold and that many more people buying whatever it is he stamps his face on in a commercial - so his royalties would jump 10x just like that. It's probably more...
Well that's the point of this article: The number the poster came up with a year ago is an underestimate because of the declining cap (if there is such a decline).
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7/8/2009  9:16 AM
Also, there is the rule that a max players salary can't be less than their last years salary X 1.05 (even with a decreasing salary cap). So, if Lebron comes here (or stays) he is going to take a proportionally large hold of the cap, leaving teams with less money to sign other free agents. (Unless of course the free agent signings of other supporting players are this year, allowing the team to go over the cap to resign Lebron.
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7/8/2009  9:46 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by djsunyc:
Nearly every team in the league is gearing up for 2010 free agency. But based on terms of the collective bargaining agreement, which is designed for teams to retain assets, there are a few million reasons why LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh will opt to remain with their current employers. Previous reports estimated the Cavaliers, Heat, and Raptors would be able to offer their franchise cornerstones extensions worth $30 million more than any other team. Sam Smith, writing for Bulls.com, calculates the difference under a declining cap:

The rub is the new NBA economics. The key is the salary cap and luxury tax set in the summer of 2010. Even NBA commissioner David Stern already has said publicly the cap and thus the luxury tax threshold could be down as much as 10 percent next summer.

If the cap drops 10 percent (two percent decline expected this July for next season), the cap is about $52.6 million. For players going into their seventh season at that point, like James, Wade and Bosh, a max player can receive a top offer of 30 percent of the team’s salary cap if he changes teams. That would be about $15.8 million to start. The raises would be eight percent annually in a five-year deal for about $91.5 million.

A player who elects to stay with his own team for a similar max offer would be eligible for a six-year deal (instead of five) starting at $17.4 million (10.5 percent above their final season). The annual raises would be 10.5 percent instead of eight. That contract would total $132 million.

So if Bosh or Wade or James were to stay with their own teams-assuming the Stern predicted salary can decline-and get a max deal they would be able to sign contracts for $132 million compared with about $91.5 million.

http://ballerblogger.com/2009/07/06/declining-cap-could-put-the-sqeeze-on-class-of-2010/

Not this again..... *sigh*

The max contract is based off of a percentage of the cap. The cap could drop 5M it won't change a thing because a max contract is still a max contract and cannot be more. The lower the cap the lower the max contract number. That lower max contract number will still fit a team who is under the cap to afford a max contract. When that team is under the cap for a 2009 max contract, and the cap drops, they will still be under the cap for a 2010 max contract.

Why this is completely ignored is beyond logic.

But it's just like saying CLE can offer LeBron 30M more.....completely ignoring that it is six years instead of five and the actual number is more like 5-6M - something he easily recoups through endorsements in a bigger market.

But, whatever, the sky is falling I suppose. Let's undo the Crawful and Zachass trades and re-sign Marbury!

The contracts we have on hand don't change though, so you're still losing out. Eddy, Jeffries, Gallo and Chandler will not have their contracts slashed if the cap goes down, so the remaining cap room you have is lower.

Got it? Good.
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