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EnySpree
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7/4/2009  6:18 PM
Giving the market and the fact the Knicks can match any offer...they are playing this the right way. Lee is running out of potential teams to play for...

Lee still has the option of taking the qualifying offer or taking what the Knicks offer and seeing if he can squeeze out some more. There's always a sign and trade, but if that's the decision Lee's agent is gonna have to work with said team to get the Knicks what they need and that's expirings and a player they can use....

Qualifying offer seems like the best road since next year is where all the money is....

Anyway, I think this saga is gonna be done with before summer league...

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7/4/2009  6:25 PM
You may go need to wash your source with soap and water
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7/4/2009  7:07 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Giving the market and the fact the Knicks can match any offer...they are playing this the right way. Lee is running out of potential teams to play for...

Lee still has the option of taking the qualifying offer or taking what the Knicks offer and seeing if he can squeeze out some more. There's always a sign and trade, but if that's the decision Lee's agent is gonna have to work with said team to get the Knicks what they need and that's expirings and a player they can use....

Qualifying offer seems like the best road since next year is where all the money is....

Anyway, I think this saga is gonna be done with before summer league...

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7/5/2009  12:02 AM
5 years 40 mils with Knicks (6,7,8,9,10)...
This looks fair for all parties involved.
Lee will get another 10 mils from jerseys sails; 7 mils in 2010 is OK for cap; looks manageable for February trades...
Perfect…
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7/5/2009  12:54 AM
I think, you know, that is not good! this guy averaged 18/14 after the zbo trade, he led the league in double doubles, he was awesome. you want to give him 8m$?? Have you seen who is getting payed 10m$, 21m$, even bad 5m$??

He deserves at least 10m$, and he should be s&t for that or let walk, because that's that.
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7/5/2009  2:30 AM
Posted by orangeblobman:

I think, you know, that is not good! this guy averaged 18/14 after the zbo trade, he led the league in double doubles, he was awesome. you want to give him 8m$?? Have you seen who is getting payed 10m$, 21m$, even bad 5m$??

He deserves at least 10m$, and he should be s&t for that or let walk, because that's that.

Are you his agent?
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7/5/2009  2:36 AM
No doubt Lee is a good player, but they guy is very soft. He's not enforcing ****...his inside presence is pitiful...yet if there is a rebound to get he will be right there. He needs help...he looked great with Zach by his side....I still can't see the dude getting 10 mill a season.

I wouldn't mind keeping him now that the Knicks have some goons to back him up. Jordan Hill is gonna contribute right away, and I'm thinking Darko wants to prove himself. Last season Lee was alone. Maybe Lee grows a pair and battles inside more Knowing he has help.

Who knows....but yo...10 mill per is too much...Lee is not gonna win games on offense or defense...if we gonna spend that money, then I want a guy that can be a factor in that respect.

Comapring him to Charlie....Charlie may not have put up numbers with the Bucks but that francise for some reason just ignored him. He would drop 20/10 and some other nice stats then get a dnp, or 10 mins the next night. I don't expect that to happen in Detroit. Charlie is a factor on offense and he can be a go to type scorer and carry a club consistantly if given a coaches trust. He deserves what he got...maybe Lee also deserves the same salary, but the Knicks aren't at a point where they need to sign David or die....Knicks are dead as is...why "Allan Houston" ourselves??? There are adequate replacements out there.
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7/5/2009  2:45 AM
eny i like your gut instinct. i think your right, the longer it plays out the less likely it seems. i think the thunder are still an option, they will go with either him or millsap, they need a 4. still, a 5 yr/40 mil isn't a bad deal for a guy who, while soft, will be a very solid rebounder and team player. in the nba thats hard to find. that would be a great deal for the knicks, normally lee would get $10 mil a yr, thank god the cap's shrinking and nobody wants to spend/has money to spend.
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7/5/2009  2:48 AM
Lee is a great player, if your paying him under 8 to 8.5 Million a year. Anything above that is not enough return for what you pay for. If he actually played some defense than he could expect to reach 10 to 14 Million. Lee pretty much defaults to letting his man jack up whatever shot they want.. as long as he gets his position for the rebound, it is Gravy. Lee has to step it up on the defensive end. Without that he is only half a complete player.
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7/5/2009  6:03 AM
I agree with 5 years - $40m. I'd even give him a sixth year @$8m. Eight million per seems fair for what he brings.
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7/5/2009  7:02 AM
Posted by orangeblobman:

I think, you know, that is not good! this guy averaged 18/14 after the zbo trade, he led the league in double doubles, he was awesome. you want to give him 8m$?? Have you seen who is getting payed 10m$, 21m$, even bad 5m$??

He deserves at least 10m$, and he should be s&t for that or let walk, because that's that.

Just because other players in the league, and some on our roster, are OVERPAID, does not mean we should overpay David 'Jazz Hands' Lee.
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7/5/2009  8:36 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by orangeblobman:

I think, you know, that is not good! this guy averaged 18/14 after the zbo trade, he led the league in double doubles, he was awesome. you want to give him 8m$?? Have you seen who is getting payed 10m$, 21m$, even bad 5m$??

He deserves at least 10m$, and he should be s&t for that or let walk, because that's that.

Just because other players in the league, and some on our roster, are OVERPAID, does not mean we should overpay David 'Jazz Hands' Lee.

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7/5/2009  8:38 AM
I've noticed that no one can justify paying Lee a lot without citing two and only two statistics: points and rebounding. For most of these players getting paid a lot of money, there are SEVERAL aspects of their game you can cite. That in itself should be revealing. Besides points and either rebounds or assists, you can usually cite things like "anchors the defense with his shot-blocking" or "is a great man to man defender" or "makes others better with his passing skills" or "has the ability to play several positions."
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7/5/2009  8:39 AM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by orangeblobman:

I think, you know, that is not good! this guy averaged 18/14 after the zbo trade, he led the league in double doubles, he was awesome. you want to give him 8m$?? Have you seen who is getting payed 10m$, 21m$, even bad 5m$??

He deserves at least 10m$, and he should be s&t for that or let walk, because that's that.

Are you his agent?
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[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-05-2009 08:39 AM]
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7/5/2009  8:42 AM
Posted by orangeblobman:

I think, you know, that is not good! this guy averaged 18/14 after the zbo trade, he led the league in double doubles, he was awesome. you want to give him 8m$?? Have you seen who is getting payed 10m$, 21m$, even bad 5m$??

He deserves at least 10m$, and he should be s&t for that or let walk, because that's that.

This post makes me sick.

6 million/yr tops. Artest got mid level. Artest is a much, much better player than Lee.

Let him walk! He is a "nice" complementary player but not a main piece. How many wins did his double-doubles get us?
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7/5/2009  9:22 AM
how about we trade him & not do the moronic thing by letting him walk for nothing? there's a thought.
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7/5/2009  9:30 AM
Posted by nychamp:
Posted by orangeblobman:

I think, you know, that is not good! this guy averaged 18/14 after the zbo trade, he led the league in double doubles, he was awesome. you want to give him 8m$?? Have you seen who is getting payed 10m$, 21m$, even bad 5m$??

He deserves at least 10m$, and he should be s&t for that or let walk, because that's that.

This post makes me sick.

6 million/yr tops. Artest got mid level. Artest is a much, much better player than Lee.

Let him walk! He is a "nice" complementary player but not a main piece. How many wins did his double-doubles get us?
Once you take into account defense and the roles they played on their teams, I don't think Lee is better than Marion or Odom either.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-05-2009 09:30 AM]
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7/5/2009  10:17 AM
As you can see guys, David Lee is not the rock start he was eing painted to be. No team is going to overpay for him and sign and trades will b the more likely scenario. The way this is playing out is just fine by me. Trust in the Don.
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7/5/2009  11:03 AM


This post makes me sick.

6 million/yr tops. Artest got mid level. Artest is a much, much better player than Lee.

Let him walk! He is a "nice" complementary player but not a main piece. How many wins did his double-doubles get us?
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7/5/2009  11:06 AM
Posted by nychamp:
Posted by orangeblobman:

I think, you know, that is not good! this guy averaged 18/14 after the zbo trade, he led the league in double doubles, he was awesome. you want to give him 8m$?? Have you seen who is getting payed 10m$, 21m$, even bad 5m$??

He deserves at least 10m$, and he should be s&t for that or let walk, because that's that.

This post makes me sick.

6 million/yr tops. Artest got mid level. Artest is a much, much better player than Lee.

Let him walk! He is a "nice" complementary player but not a main piece. How many wins did his double-doubles get us?

this is a fair point, but is artest better than bed gordon + charlie v? i would say yes and he took less than them. artest shouldn't be used as an example, he took less than market value to go to the lakers.

charlie v got 5 years $40 mil - that's $8 mil a year. that's more of a comparable player...
Its getting down to it with the Lee situation...

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