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6/28/2009  11:34 AM
If we are really serious about making playoffs next yr(which im sure we are since Utah has our pick) we are going to need a 18-20pt scorer added to this squad.

The catch is that the player we add there contract is going to have to expire 2010. There is 3 guys that fit the list. Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen, & TMac.

I wonder if Detroit would be interested in a S&T of Lee for Rip straight up. Rip is going to be 32 next yr, Lee is going to be 26. They can then go hard after Ben Gordan to fill there SG needs.

For TMac our best deal would be Hughes & Mobley for TMac. Though maybe they would be interested in a Curry & Mobley for TMAC. Curry can backup Ming and provide insurance, They wouldn't save any real money though as it works out even.

Then there is Ray Allen who would again we would need to dangle David Lee & Mobley or Curry or Hughes for. It was said though that Boston offerd Detroit Rondo & Allen for Stuck, Rip & Prince. Ainge seems to be sour on Rondo for immaturity during the playoffs. So maybe we could offer them a package of Lee(S&T), Chandler, & Duhon or Nate(S&T) for Rondo & Ray Allen and there 2010 first rd pick. I think its more then a good deal. Ray Allen is cooked after this next season. We would be giving Boston 3 guys in Lee,Chandler & Duhon or Nate that would be around for yrs only for one guy in Rondo and a first rd pick that would probably be a late first.

If we were able to do the Rip & the Tmac deals we would look like.
Duhon/Hughes/Douglas
Hamilton/Chandler/Hughes/Douglas
TMac/Gallo/Chandler
Harrington/Hill/Jeffries
Hill/Darko/Curry

If we did the Rondo & Allen deal we would look like
Rondo/(Duhon)/Hughes/Douglas
Allen/Hughes/Douglas
Gallo/Harrington/Jeffries
Harrington/Hill/Jeffries
Hill/Darko/Curry

We could still talk to Houston about Mobley & Hughes or Curry for TMac.
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6/28/2009  11:38 AM
Making the playoffs isn't a priority for next season. Continuing to try to reduce Isiah's remaining 2011 contract mistakes and figuring out what to do with Lee and Nate are the top priorities.

We also are not going to screw up our 2010 flexibility just to try to see if we can make the Utah pick worse. Let it go. It was traded six years ago. Even if Utah wins the lotto with it it does not affect OUR situation ONE BIT.

We need to worry about US and let the tabloids worry about the petty stuff like the Utah pick and whether or not Crawful blows up in Atlanta or if Jennings will be anything more than a scrub.

I'm quite certain Donnie and Mike feel the same way and thank god for I know there are some Knick fans who would trade all our expirings to try to make sure we sneak into the playoffs and deny Utah a lotto pick.

That's misguided thinking right there and I'm sure glad our management doesn't even consider that on their list of things to do let alone a priority.

We need to get rid of the 2011s, handle the Lee/Nate situation, and concentrate on properly developing our young players that we feel will be here past 2010.

Everything else is unnecessary.
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6/28/2009  12:19 PM
If Houston is willing to take curry plus Mobley contract fro T-Mac sign me up. We do need to try to make the playoffs this year and anything that removes Curry is priority #1
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6/28/2009  12:31 PM
What kind of basketball world do we all live in where fans could care less about wins/losses. No wonder NBA ratings are in the toilet.
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6/28/2009  1:51 PM
forget about making any deals w/the Celtics, they're not gonna help us out anytime soon... & to get Rip we're gonna have to offer more than just D Lee in a S&T IMHO... i don't want Walsh to dump Lee for a 1 year stopgap fix either... either he goes after someone he fully intends on keeping here beyond 2010, or he trades for expirings & future picks is the way i'd go.

i think the most realistic option of the 3 is T-Mac... we could probably get him on the cheap & his contract is expiring in 2010, so he fits the mold of Donnie's plan... dunno if HOU is in all out dump mode tho & for sure they wouldn't be interested in Curry unless he proves to be the player he was 2 years ago instead of the out of shape one he was the last 2... we'd probably have to offer Harrington at least along w/Mobley's contract, which sorta defeats the purpose of going after another scorer.
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6/28/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by bitty41:

What kind of basketball world do we all live in where fans could care less about wins/losses. No wonder NBA ratings are in the toilet.

What?
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6/28/2009  1:58 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by bitty41:

What kind of basketball world do we all live in where fans could care less about wins/losses. No wonder NBA ratings are in the toilet.

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6/28/2009  2:21 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Making the playoffs isn't a priority for next season. Continuing to try to reduce Isiah's remaining 2011 contract mistakes and figuring out what to do with Lee and Nate are the top priorities.

We also are not going to screw up our 2010 flexibility just to try to see if we can make the Utah pick worse. Let it go. It was traded six years ago. Even if Utah wins the lotto with it it does not affect OUR situation ONE BIT.

We need to worry about US and let the tabloids worry about the petty stuff like the Utah pick and whether or not Crawful blows up in Atlanta or if Jennings will be anything more than a scrub.

I'm quite certain Donnie and Mike feel the same way and thank god for I know there are some Knick fans who would trade all our expirings to try to make sure we sneak into the playoffs and deny Utah a lotto pick.

That's misguided thinking right there and I'm sure glad our management doesn't even consider that on their list of things to do let alone a priority.

We need to get rid of the 2011s, handle the Lee/Nate situation, and concentrate on properly developing our young players that we feel will be here past 2010.

Everything else is unnecessary.

The catch is that the player we add there contract is going to have to expire 2010. There is 3 guys that fit the list. Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen, & TMac.

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6/28/2009  3:15 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Making the playoffs isn't a priority for next season. Continuing to try to reduce Isiah's remaining 2011 contract mistakes and figuring out what to do with Lee and Nate are the top priorities.

We also are not going to screw up our 2010 flexibility just to try to see if we can make the Utah pick worse. Let it go. It was traded six years ago. Even if Utah wins the lotto with it it does not affect OUR situation ONE BIT.

We need to worry about US and let the tabloids worry about the petty stuff like the Utah pick and whether or not Crawful blows up in Atlanta or if Jennings will be anything more than a scrub.

I'm quite certain Donnie and Mike feel the same way and thank god for I know there are some Knick fans who would trade all our expirings to try to make sure we sneak into the playoffs and deny Utah a lotto pick.

That's misguided thinking right there and I'm sure glad our management doesn't even consider that on their list of things to do let alone a priority.

We need to get rid of the 2011s, handle the Lee/Nate situation, and concentrate on properly developing our young players that we feel will be here past 2010.

Everything else is unnecessary.

I was just lamenting that your comment about the playoffs not being priority anymore is just another reason why I gave up on watching basketball. When the Management, coach, players, and fans don't care about winning why even bother watching the game anymore.
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6/28/2009  3:19 PM
For the Knicks to make the playoffs they need a PG running this system at a high level. When Duhon had that good stretch we looked like a shoe in to make it in. When Nate was playing a good point we looked like we could do it too.

Not sure where we're gonna find a point but if we get a legit one we're in. Nash on this team IMO and you can get as good as a fifth seed. If the Suns are selling we need to be see what the cost is.
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6/28/2009  3:24 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Cosmic:

Making the playoffs isn't a priority for next season. Continuing to try to reduce Isiah's remaining 2011 contract mistakes and figuring out what to do with Lee and Nate are the top priorities.

We also are not going to screw up our 2010 flexibility just to try to see if we can make the Utah pick worse. Let it go. It was traded six years ago. Even if Utah wins the lotto with it it does not affect OUR situation ONE BIT.

We need to worry about US and let the tabloids worry about the petty stuff like the Utah pick and whether or not Crawful blows up in Atlanta or if Jennings will be anything more than a scrub.

I'm quite certain Donnie and Mike feel the same way and thank god for I know there are some Knick fans who would trade all our expirings to try to make sure we sneak into the playoffs and deny Utah a lotto pick.

That's misguided thinking right there and I'm sure glad our management doesn't even consider that on their list of things to do let alone a priority.

We need to get rid of the 2011s, handle the Lee/Nate situation, and concentrate on properly developing our young players that we feel will be here past 2010.

Everything else is unnecessary.

I was just lamenting that your comment about the playoffs not being priority anymore is just another reason why I gave up on watching basketball. When the Management, coach, players, and fans don't care about winning why even bother watching the game anymore.

Winning is important... but winning what?
35-40 games to squeeze into playoffs and get busted in first round.... Why?
We suffered 10 years already; so to add one more year of suffering is completely OK.
Or we want to suffer another 10 years of mediocrity?

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6/28/2009  3:34 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Cosmic:

Making the playoffs isn't a priority for next season. Continuing to try to reduce Isiah's remaining 2011 contract mistakes and figuring out what to do with Lee and Nate are the top priorities.

We also are not going to screw up our 2010 flexibility just to try to see if we can make the Utah pick worse. Let it go. It was traded six years ago. Even if Utah wins the lotto with it it does not affect OUR situation ONE BIT.

We need to worry about US and let the tabloids worry about the petty stuff like the Utah pick and whether or not Crawful blows up in Atlanta or if Jennings will be anything more than a scrub.

I'm quite certain Donnie and Mike feel the same way and thank god for I know there are some Knick fans who would trade all our expirings to try to make sure we sneak into the playoffs and deny Utah a lotto pick.

That's misguided thinking right there and I'm sure glad our management doesn't even consider that on their list of things to do let alone a priority.

We need to get rid of the 2011s, handle the Lee/Nate situation, and concentrate on properly developing our young players that we feel will be here past 2010.

Everything else is unnecessary.

I was just lamenting that your comment about the playoffs not being priority anymore is just another reason why I gave up on watching basketball. When the Management, coach, players, and fans don't care about winning why even bother watching the game anymore.

Winning is important... but winning what?
35-40 games to squeeze into playoffs and get busted in first round.... Why?
We suffered 10 years already; so to add one more year of suffering is completely OK.
Or we want to suffer another 10 years of mediocrity?

Okay winning is a progression unless you get ridiculously lucky. That's what make fans return the next season watch your team win 40 42 games, watch off season moves, and then come back next season. This whole business of losing to win is a bunch of bs for NBA GMs to cover-up the fact that they've been doing a shytty job.
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6/28/2009  3:41 PM
Posted by VDesai:

For the Knicks to make the playoffs they need a PG running this system at a high level. When Duhon had that good stretch we looked like a shoe in to make it in. When Nate was playing a good point we looked like we could do it too.

Not sure where we're gonna find a point but if we get a legit one we're in. Nash on this team IMO and you can get as good as a fifth seed. If the Suns are selling we need to be see what the cost is.

dunno about a 5th seed but a serious run at making the playoffs, definitely... i think Nash would really help this team & would make us a more attractive destination for other FA's next year to consider.
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6/28/2009  4:20 PM
I don't think we just need a scorer. WE need an efficient scorer! Guys like Harrington,Robinson etc... can create their own shot and score, but they aren't any more than average as far as efficiency goes. We need guys that can knock down 3s consistently and get to the hoop and get fouled when they aren't doing that.
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6/28/2009  4:21 PM
The other thing we DON'T want is someone else's close to washed up player for a year or two. That would be damaging to the long term just to improve in the short term. IMO, a very stupid idea.
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6/28/2009  4:34 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by bitty41:

What kind of basketball world do we all live in where fans could care less about wins/losses. No wonder NBA ratings are in the toilet.

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6/28/2009  4:34 PM
Posted by ItalianStallion:

I don't think we just need a scorer. WE need an efficient scorer! Guys like Harrington,Robinson etc... can create their own shot and score, but they aren't any more than average as far as efficiency goes. We need guys that can knock down 3s consistently and get to the hoop and get fouled when they aren't doing that.

Yes, that is the key. We have sloppy scorers in Harrington and Nate, but we need a true scorer-- someone that you can go to at the end of the game without fear of rim-hanging technicals.
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6/28/2009  4:54 PM
Posted by ItalianStallion:

The other thing we DON'T want is someone else's close to washed up player for a year or two. That would be damaging to the long term just to improve in the short term. IMO, a very stupid idea.

IMO thinking we're gonna get a stud player in his prime in exchange for Lee & Nate is pretty stupid considering how we're no longer the ones holding the cards to deal those 2... but we're all entitled to our opinions... i would be happy w/bringing in Nash for those 2 because i think he's good for another 3-4 years at the very least, or even expirings & draft picks in 2010.
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6/28/2009  5:00 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Cosmic:

Making the playoffs isn't a priority for next season. Continuing to try to reduce Isiah's remaining 2011 contract mistakes and figuring out what to do with Lee and Nate are the top priorities.

We also are not going to screw up our 2010 flexibility just to try to see if we can make the Utah pick worse. Let it go. It was traded six years ago. Even if Utah wins the lotto with it it does not affect OUR situation ONE BIT.

We need to worry about US and let the tabloids worry about the petty stuff like the Utah pick and whether or not Crawful blows up in Atlanta or if Jennings will be anything more than a scrub.

I'm quite certain Donnie and Mike feel the same way and thank god for I know there are some Knick fans who would trade all our expirings to try to make sure we sneak into the playoffs and deny Utah a lotto pick.

That's misguided thinking right there and I'm sure glad our management doesn't even consider that on their list of things to do let alone a priority.

We need to get rid of the 2011s, handle the Lee/Nate situation, and concentrate on properly developing our young players that we feel will be here past 2010.

Everything else is unnecessary.

I was just lamenting that your comment about the playoffs not being priority anymore is just another reason why I gave up on watching basketball. When the Management, coach, players, and fans don't care about winning why even bother watching the game anymore.

I think you are missing the point.
This is a process we have undertaken and the process is quite simple: Gain assets and flexibility for 2010. In that, being it's 2009, we have zero interest in adding players to simply make a 2009-2010 playoff run. We certainly won't do it to just run the Utah pick lower in value. We will only add players that make sense for 2010 and beyond and given the desire to not spend money today that extends beyond 2010 the idea that we would seek to add players to this core is probably faulty.

Whether anyone wants to believe it the W/L outcome of the 2009/2010 Knicks is inconsequential to the larger picture: Building a new team from scratch beginning in 2010.

There's a much bigger prize at stake and we're not going to jeopardize it over a fleeting whim to try to sneak in as an 8th seed this year only to get torched anyway - or to try to "stick it to Utah" over a pick traded 6 years prior.

Just not going to happen.
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