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6/24/2009  3:25 PM
Maybe we could work out something with Sacramento. Maybe an agreement to draft for each other - they draft Curry for us at 4, we draft Flynn for them at 8 and then agree to flip a package of Flynn and a few other reasonable assets to Sac. for fodder & Curry. The Kings apparently really like Flynn but he's a little bit of a reach at 8. Maybe we can sweeten it up a little to make it worthwhile for them. Maybe even wait until July and then incorporate Lee and/or Nate in a bigger deal. I just hope we haven't packed in the idea of still trying to land Curry. He's still the guy for us in my mind. Any thoughts?

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-24-2009 3:27 PM]
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6/24/2009  3:41 PM
What your saying is very plausable.

If they love Flynn and thats their guy he is there at the 8 and we get Curry, Thabeet or Rubio at the 4 works for us.

Question is what do they want/need with Flynn that makes it worth their while to trade with us and not others?

Also, pay scale for rubio at the 4 and flynn at the 8 saves them money.
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6/24/2009  3:44 PM
yeah, i wouldn't mind seeing something like this happen at all.
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6/24/2009  3:50 PM
Damn, amazing how a month or two ago over half this board was resistant to the idea of drafting Curry at all. Then that went to us just figuring that we will settle for Curry, given the fact that there were few attractive options. Now that his draft stock has risen to absurd levels, we're all but begging for a chance to draft him.

The scenario raised by Fine is plausible, but why not just keep Flynn?
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6/24/2009  4:02 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Damn, amazing how a month or two ago over half this board was resistant to the idea of drafting Curry at all. Then that went to us just figuring that we will settle for Curry, given the fact that there were few attractive options. Now that his draft stock has risen to absurd levels, we're all but begging for a chance to draft him.

The scenario raised by Fine is plausible, but why not just keep Flynn?

i don't get it either... Curry is the same exact player he was at the end of the NCAA season... now he's a top 5 pick guaranteed? i don't get it... what's changed here other than him being hyped by some reports based on GM's misdirection that they like to play before every draft?

i wouldn't give up any more assets to get Curry... taking him at #8 should be enough for a player like that... otherwise if he's not there, u take someone else... he's not a clearcut better option than anyone else in this draft.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by sebstar:

Damn, amazing how a month or two ago over half this board was resistant to the idea of drafting Curry at all. Then that went to us just figuring that we will settle for Curry, given the fact that there were few attractive options. Now that his draft stock has risen to absurd levels, we're all but begging for a chance to draft him.

The scenario raised by Fine is plausible, but why not just keep Flynn?

i don't get it either... Curry is the same exact player he was at the end of the NCAA season... now he's a top 5 pick guaranteed? i don't get it... what's changed here other than him being hyped by some reports based on GM's misdirection that they like to play before every draft?

i wouldn't give up any more assets to get Curry... taking him at #8 should be enough for a player like that... otherwise if he's not there, u take someone else... he's not a clearcut better option than anyone else in this draft.

Curry was top 8 at the end of the NCAA season - he rose in the combine and when GMs got to see him play in person. he's outplayed Holiday and Jennings in person, too. and GMs are souring on Harden, Rubio and Hill and thus Curry becomes more and more a commodity. It's a weak draft. the top of the lotto talent all has flaws. there will be plenty of good players, but no complete super stars or anything.
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6/24/2009  4:06 PM
what about this.


1 griffin

2 thabeet

3 harden

4 flynn

5 rubio

6 Tewans

7 jordan hill

8 curry

that sounds possible to me
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6/24/2009  4:07 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by sebstar:

Damn, amazing how a month or two ago over half this board was resistant to the idea of drafting Curry at all. Then that went to us just figuring that we will settle for Curry, given the fact that there were few attractive options. Now that his draft stock has risen to absurd levels, we're all but begging for a chance to draft him.

The scenario raised by Fine is plausible, but why not just keep Flynn?

i don't get it either... Curry is the same exact player he was at the end of the NCAA season... now he's a top 5 pick guaranteed? i don't get it... what's changed here other than him being hyped by some reports based on GM's misdirection that they like to play before every draft?

i wouldn't give up any more assets to get Curry... taking him at #8 should be enough for a player like that... otherwise if he's not there, u take someone else... he's not a clearcut better option than anyone else in this draft.

Curry was top 8 at the end of the NCAA season - he rose in the combine and when GMs got to see him play in person. he's outplayed Holiday and Jennings in person, too. and GMs are souring on Harden, Rubio and Hill and thus Curry becomes more and more a commodity. It's a weak draft. the top of the lotto talent all has flaws. there will be plenty of good players, but no complete super stars or anything.

exactly why i'm saying i wouldn't give up any assets to move up to take a guy like Curry... he's a flawed prospect just like every other in this draft... if some other team is high enough on him to take him #5 or higher, let them have him & take someone else.
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What changed is the fact that the Knicks overplayed their hands and practically told the world they were drafting Curry. After the tourny, IIRC, Curry was projected in the mid 1st range. Once the Knicks zeroed in on him so intensely, other teams started to take a harder look at him.

Add that with a 24/7 sports media world...BOOM.
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Posted by sebstar:

What changed is the fact that the Knicks overplayed their hands and practically told the world they were drafting Curry. After the tourny, IIRC, Curry was projected in the mid 1st range. Once the Knicks zeroed in on him so intensely, other teams started to take a harder look at him.

Add that with a 24/7 sports media world...BOOM.

I think the problem was they didn't guarantee him and he kept working out for other teams. Hey, if Walsh and D'Antoni didn't like him after the workout, fine. But if they thought he was the guy - they should have promised him. But I think they thought they could get Rubio and didn't want to make a promise. So now we get neither guy. Reminds me a lot of last year with Mayo and Westbrook. Not a good job at the draft, at least in terms of the pre-draft espionage type stuff.
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6/24/2009  4:26 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by sebstar:

What changed is the fact that the Knicks overplayed their hands and practically told the world they were drafting Curry. After the tourny, IIRC, Curry was projected in the mid 1st range. Once the Knicks zeroed in on him so intensely, other teams started to take a harder look at him.

Add that with a 24/7 sports media world...BOOM.

I think the problem was they didn't guarantee him and he kept working out for other teams. Hey, if Walsh and D'Antoni didn't like him after the workout, fine. But if they thought he was the guy - they should have promised him. But I think they thought they could get Rubio and didn't want to make a promise. So now we get neither guy. Reminds me a lot of last year with Mayo and Westbrook. Not a good job at the draft, at least in terms of the pre-draft espionage type stuff.

I think there something to this, sure. Curry still talking up NY as his desired spot. Curry interview coming up on ESPN News channel in a few mins. at 4:30.
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6/24/2009  4:45 PM
Posted by sebstar:

What changed is the fact that the Knicks overplayed their hands and practically told the world they were drafting Curry. After the tourny, IIRC, Curry was projected in the mid 1st range. Once the Knicks zeroed in on him so intensely, other teams started to take a harder look at him.

Add that with a 24/7 sports media world...BOOM.

Lets play conspiracy theory here. What if that was the plan all along and the player they really want has fallen because of this? Eh? Eh?


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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by sebstar:

What changed is the fact that the Knicks overplayed their hands and practically told the world they were drafting Curry. After the tourny, IIRC, Curry was projected in the mid 1st range. Once the Knicks zeroed in on him so intensely, other teams started to take a harder look at him.

Add that with a 24/7 sports media world...BOOM.

I think the problem was they didn't guarantee him and he kept working out for other teams. Hey, if Walsh and D'Antoni didn't like him after the workout, fine. But if they thought he was the guy - they should have promised him. But I think they thought they could get Rubio and didn't want to make a promise. So now we get neither guy. Reminds me a lot of last year with Mayo and Westbrook. Not a good job at the draft, at least in terms of the pre-draft espionage type stuff.

Too early to declare that, specially on a draft that has more than 10 guys going Top 5...


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Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by sebstar:

What changed is the fact that the Knicks overplayed their hands and practically told the world they were drafting Curry. After the tourny, IIRC, Curry was projected in the mid 1st range. Once the Knicks zeroed in on him so intensely, other teams started to take a harder look at him.

Add that with a 24/7 sports media world...BOOM.

I think the problem was they didn't guarantee him and he kept working out for other teams. Hey, if Walsh and D'Antoni didn't like him after the workout, fine. But if they thought he was the guy - they should have promised him. But I think they thought they could get Rubio and didn't want to make a promise. So now we get neither guy. Reminds me a lot of last year with Mayo and Westbrook. Not a good job at the draft, at least in terms of the pre-draft espionage type stuff.

Too early to declare that, specially on a draft that has more than 10 guys going Top 5...



nope. i am declaring it. we're dead in the water. we get holiday or flynn or some crap. i'd take terrence williams and call it a day, but that's that.
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6/24/2009  4:54 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by sebstar:

What changed is the fact that the Knicks overplayed their hands and practically told the world they were drafting Curry. After the tourny, IIRC, Curry was projected in the mid 1st range. Once the Knicks zeroed in on him so intensely, other teams started to take a harder look at him.

Add that with a 24/7 sports media world...BOOM.

I think the problem was they didn't guarantee him and he kept working out for other teams. Hey, if Walsh and D'Antoni didn't like him after the workout, fine. But if they thought he was the guy - they should have promised him. But I think they thought they could get Rubio and didn't want to make a promise. So now we get neither guy. Reminds me a lot of last year with Mayo and Westbrook. Not a good job at the draft, at least in terms of the pre-draft espionage type stuff.

Too early to declare that, specially on a draft that has more than 10 guys going Top 5...



nope. i am declaring it. we're dead in the water. we get holiday or flynn or some crap. i'd take terrence williams and call it a day, but that's that.

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6/24/2009  4:58 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by sebstar:

What changed is the fact that the Knicks overplayed their hands and practically told the world they were drafting Curry. After the tourny, IIRC, Curry was projected in the mid 1st range. Once the Knicks zeroed in on him so intensely, other teams started to take a harder look at him.

Add that with a 24/7 sports media world...BOOM.

I think the problem was they didn't guarantee him and he kept working out for other teams. Hey, if Walsh and D'Antoni didn't like him after the workout, fine. But if they thought he was the guy - they should have promised him. But I think they thought they could get Rubio and didn't want to make a promise. So now we get neither guy. Reminds me a lot of last year with Mayo and Westbrook. Not a good job at the draft, at least in terms of the pre-draft espionage type stuff.

Too early to declare that, specially on a draft that has more than 10 guys going Top 5...



nope. i am declaring it. we're dead in the water. we get holiday or flynn or some crap. i'd take terrence williams and call it a day, but that's that.

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more like "fool me once, donnie, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me." i expect we'll hear lots of stories about how they tried to move up and we almost got mayo/rubio/curry/whatever. but the reality is that this team doesn't have the pieces to make such a trade. i don't blame donnie, that's just reality.
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Decent quick interview - I would've liked to have seen him asked about being a pro PG but I've heard his take on it before, he knows he can do it.

TMS - what's different in Curry now from 2 years ago/halfway through last year is w/o question his ability to play the point. I was as skeptcal as anyone early on last year that he couldn't do it but he proved he could. It's not just my dumb opinion or conjecture - I mean he proved it on the court. Definitely changed my opinion of him as well as a lot of people's apparently.

Here's my take on this kid:

- Best pure shooter AND scorer in the draft. Clutch too. Check.
- Enough size at over 6'3" in shoes (his father wasn't lying). Check.
- Not a world class athlete but a good one. More than enough athletic ability to play in the NBA. Combine agility & strength #s were all very good across the board. Has probably the same if not more pure athletic ability than guys like Stockton, Nash and Mark Jackson in my mind. Check.
- Good handle. Adequate. Check.
- Excellent F/T shooter. Check.
- Jumped right into the PG spot for Davidson and really flourished. Proved to a lot of people that he has the court awareness, vision and passing ability to play the point. BIG Check.
- The 'high IQ' thing's far from nonsense - you can tell right away that he actually does play the game with a good amount of calmness, smoothness, grace and intelligence. It's very apparent and those are good mature qualities. Check.
- No Defense huh? He averaged 2.5 steals a game last year (tied for 1st in the NCAA - 1ST!!) and just said on the ESPN News interview that he plans to make it as tough as possible on opposing players and doesn't want the perception to be, "OK Steph Curry tonight, I'm going for 30." I liked his answer there a lot. He'll play defense. Check.

Someone please tell me where the glaring weaknesses are??? Tell you what, kill me if you want to, but he might be the 2nd best player in this draft behind Griffin. I think he's gonna be an excellent pro. Knicks should stop at nothing to get this kid, even after the draft's over...

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-24-2009 6:41 PM]
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6/24/2009  5:05 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by sebstar:

What changed is the fact that the Knicks overplayed their hands and practically told the world they were drafting Curry. After the tourny, IIRC, Curry was projected in the mid 1st range. Once the Knicks zeroed in on him so intensely, other teams started to take a harder look at him.

Add that with a 24/7 sports media world...BOOM.

I think the problem was they didn't guarantee him and he kept working out for other teams. Hey, if Walsh and D'Antoni didn't like him after the workout, fine. But if they thought he was the guy - they should have promised him. But I think they thought they could get Rubio and didn't want to make a promise. So now we get neither guy. Reminds me a lot of last year with Mayo and Westbrook. Not a good job at the draft, at least in terms of the pre-draft espionage type stuff.

Too early to declare that, specially on a draft that has more than 10 guys going Top 5...



nope. i am declaring it. we're dead in the water. we get holiday or flynn or some crap. i'd take terrence williams and call it a day, but that's that.

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more like "fool me once, donnie, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me." i expect we'll hear lots of stories about how they tried to move up and we almost got mayo/rubio/curry/whatever. but the reality is that this team doesn't have the pieces to make such a trade. i don't blame donnie, that's just reality.

Your logic may be right, but at the same time, the draft may not play exactly as expected and one team of the top 7 to reach for a player expected to be lower may be all we need to grab the player we want, like Curry, Evans, DeRozan or Hill. The draft still has to be played and many things can happen. We'll see but either way, I hope NY gets the BPA.


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6/24/2009  6:28 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

Decent quick interview - I would've liked to have seen him asked about being a pro PG but I've heard his take on it before, he knows he can do it.

TMS - what's different in Curry now from 2 years ago/halfway through last year is w/o question his ability to play the point. I was as skeptcal as anyone early on last year that he couldn't do it but he proved he could. It's not just my dumb opinion or conjecture - I mean he proved it on the court. Definitely changed my opinion of him as well as a lot of people.

Here's my take on this kid:

- Best pure shooter AND scorer in the draft. Clutch too. Check.
- Enough size at over 6'3" in shoes (his father wasn't lying). Check.
- Not a world class athlete but a good one. More than enough athletic ability to play in the NBA. Combine agility & strength #s were all very good across the board. Has probably the same if not more pure athletic ability than guys like Stockton, Nash and Mark Jackson in my mind. Check.
- Good handle. Adequate. Check.
- Excellent F/T shooter. Check.
- Jumped right in to the PG spot for Davidson and really flourished. Proved to a lot of people that he has the court awareness, vision and passing ability to play the point. BIG Check.
- The 'high IQ' thing's far from nonsense - you can tell right away that he actually does play the game with a good amount of calmness, smoothness, grace and intelligence. It's very apparent and those are good mature qualities. Check.
- No Defense huh? He averaged 2.5 steals a game last year (tied for 1st in the NCAA - 1ST!!) and just said on the ESPN News interview that he plans to make it as tough as possible on opposing players and doesn't want the perception to be, "OK Steph Curry tonight, I'm going for 30." I liked his answer there a lot. He'll play defense. Check.

Someone please tell me where the glaring weaknesses are??? Tell you what, kill me if you want to, but he might be the 2nd best player in this draft behind Griffin. I think he's gonna be an excellent pro. Knicks should stop at nothing to get this kid, even after the draft's over...

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-24-2009 5:17 PM]

after the NCAA's ended this year he was slotted to go in the early teens on most mock draft boards... now all of a sudden he's being talked about in the top 5? sorry, i just don't get it... he's the same player now that he was then... the only thing is you have all these news writers hyping up this prospect & downgrading that one, based on nothing but combine stats & private workouts... i don't get that at all... i would rather judge players based on how they look in real games that mean something... i'm not doubting his ability to run the point either, just don't know how his upside potential shot up 10 spots in the draft in the span of a few weeks when he hasn't played a meaningful game since.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-24-2009 3:29 PM]
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6/24/2009  6:33 PM
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I hear Curry is behind about four guards on Minnesota's board. It's Golden State that lies in the weeds.


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