If we get the 5 and keep our 8, I'm drafting a big backcourt Evans and DeRozan or Evans and Hill

Might as well watch Chandler go for his championship as well. I getting use to it. He is doom to fail with this team if he stays. Killa is right. He is the only guy with value still under contract. It is a damn shame that last pick has absolutely no value to any team. That has to be a first.

^^ Yea, I see Wilson as a cornerstone to our championship teams of the early to mid 2010s. Trading him to move up three spots in what is considered the weakest draft in recent history? Why?

I don't like it no matter who we can land; I don't think there is much difference between what we can get at 8 and at 5.

I wouldn't trade Wilson and I wouldn't move up unless a guy like Evans or Thabeet happened to be on the board on draft night at the 5 spot. The reality is that someone will drop to 8. The problem in the past with the Knicks has been that they lock in on a player or position and ignore the guys with the most potential available. Chandler is better than what you could get at 5.

Question: If we surrendered Chandler in a package to get back #5 what would you want back in addition to the 5th pick? You figure we're not getting any of their top guys like Arenas or Butler (I don't necessarily want those guys anyway) and we probably couldn't get McGee or Nick Young either w/o raising the stakes considerably. How 'bout Dominic McGuire coming back along with #5? Bottom line is the 5th pick is a lot of value in itself, I understand that, but parting ways with Chandler coupled with the probability of losing so many of our wings like Harrington, Hughes, Richardson, probably Nate etc..., I'd need a replacement for Wilson in the rotation otherwise I just can't justify doing this, not if we wind up using #5 on the point guard we want. McGuire might be the key to this deal. He's a little on the unheralded side, but he's got nice size, he's still young, he's a plus athlete and plays solid defense. Hasn't really shown much of a perimeter game yet but I think he has the tools to develop that aspect eventually. With an expanded role and a little bit of a longer leash, I think McGuire could really surprise. How much of a difference is there between McGuire and the low-end SFs in this draft like Young, Summers, Brown, Cunningham, Green, etc.? A little but not much. He's not that far behind some of these guys & possibly even ahead of a few talent-wise. He's right there in the mix with this group, I think. I could make a Chandler + for #5 trade work with the Wizards and I'd have no problem even sweetening the pot a bit to make it happen but I'd have to get McGuire back to make this work...

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-20-2009 10:45 PM]

Posted by Ira:

Chandler for the fifth? It depends on who's there. If Curry's there, I do it. If he's gone, probably not.

I agree totally. Obviously I'm interested in Rubio and some of the other top guys but I've been saying all along, Curry's worth moving up a few spots to secure in my eyes and he's just a more realistic guy for us in a move-up type deal. He'd be perfect for us. If these rumors with Washington are true, I think that's exactly what the Knicks might be thinking as well.

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-20-2009 10:50 PM]

id do it if harden was available or rubio those are the only 2 players i want at 5

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by Finestrg:

Question: If we surrendered Chandler in a package to get back #5 what would you want back in addition to the 5th pick? You figure we're not getting any of their top guys like Arenas or Butler (I don't necessarily want those guys anyway) and we probably couldn't get McGee or Nick Young either w/o raising the stakes considerably. How 'bout Dominic McGuire coming back along with #5? Bottom line is the 5th pick is a lot of value in itself, I understand that, but parting ways with Chandler coupled with the probability of losing so many of our wings like Harrington, Hughes, Richardson, probably Nate etc..., I'd need a replacement for Wilson in the rotation otherwise I just can't justify doing this, not if we wind up using #5 on the point guard we want. McGuire might be the key to this deal. He's a little on the unheralded side, but he's got nice size, he's still young, he's a plus athlete and plays solid defense. Hasn't really shown much of a perimeter game yet but I think he has the tools to develop that aspect eventually. With an expanded role and a little bit of a longer leash, I think McGuire could really surprise. How much of a difference is there between McGuire and the low-end SFs in this draft like Young, Summers, Brown, Cunningham, Green, etc.? A little but not much. He's not that far behind some of these guys & possibly even ahead of a few talent-wise. He's right there in the mix with this group, I think. I could make a Chandler + for #5 trade work with the Wizards and I'd have no problem even sweetening the pot a bit to make it happen but I'd have to get McGuire back to make this work...

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-20-2009 10:45 PM]

I don't beleive Chandler brings back more than the 5 pick. If Chandler was coming out this year, how highly would you value him? Would you draft him over Stephen Curry? Would you draft him over Jordan Hill? I don't think I would pick Chandler over either of these guys.

I agree with you - Wilson would definitely be a 1st rounder but yeah, he probably wouldn't be in the top 10, maybe more 10-20, but at the very least around the same spot he was drafted a couple of years ago. But Chandler then and now is a little bit of a different animal. He's developing into a fine player. But yeah, the trade would have to be fleshed out a little - we'd have to sweeten it up a little but unlike prior years, we now have a few assets to make something like this work (Duhon, Harrington, the Mobley insured expiring, Nate and/or Lee in a hand shake July deal, the 2010 Denver 2nd rounder). Again, I'd need McGuire back or else it doesn't make too much sense for us. Or maybe, at the very least, we get the Wizard's #32 and then use that pick on the best SF available (hopefully a guy like Young, Summers or Brown slips).

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-20-2009 11:12 PM]

Posted by Allanfan20:

If we somehow kept the 8th pick and ended up with Curry and DeRozan, I'd be extremely happy.

A big +1 right here!