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6/10/2009  1:04 PM
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2009/06/curryknicks_still_on_a_collisi.html
There have been whispers that teams may make a jump to snatch Stephen Curry before he reaches the Knicks at No. 8 and perhaps even a few teams already sitting somewhere between the third to seventh overall slots may grab the Davidson sniper.

But at this time of year, there is always such hyperbole. As Curry prepares for his workout today at the MSG Training Center (along with several other notables, including Jrue Holiday and Gerald Henderson), let's review the options in the draft from picks 1-8.

1. Clippers - Blake Griffin.
2. Grizzlies - Considering trade offers (including from the Knicks), mulling Hasheem Thabeet and uncertain about Ricky Rubio. Whomever picks here, however, would take either Thabeet, Rubio or, possibly, James Harden.
3. Thunder - Rubio will work out for them this weekend, but it doesn't sound like they want to move Russell Westbrook to the 2. Harden or Thabeet would be good calls here, but apparently the Thunder may be also listening to trade up offers. No. 3 seems too high for Curry, especially with Thabeet, Rubio and Harden to choose from.
4. Kings - Hard to believe they go for Curry here because he is too similar to Kevin Martin. They could be leaning toward Jrue Holiday at the point because of his potential to defend.
5. Wizards - Curry next to Gilbert Arenas? Doubtful. The Wiz probably would prefer to trade this pick and one report suggests the Mavs may consider offering Josh Howard for a shot at Jordan Hill, but this may be a bit too high for Hill.
6. Timberwolves - They already have Randy Foye, so forget Curry here, too. It sounds like they are eyeing Tyreke Evans.
7. Warriors - Monta Ellis and Curry? I think the Warriors would prefer Brandon Jennings or even Jonny Flynn.
8. Knicks - And the stars align...of course the Knicks would have several other options. They are looking into moving up, which would take them completely away from Curry. They could also consider trading out of the top 10 to pick up extra picks, especially if none of the players they work out impress them enough to take them at No. 8.

There are other teams that could jump over the Knicks. Larry Brown came away impressed with Curry after the workout with the Bobcats last week, but does Charlotte try to trade up for yet another point guard? They have Ray Felton, a free agent, and they just drafted the impressive D.J. Augustin last season. Augustin (plus the No. 12) could help you land a top 10 pick, but who among this group has a need/interest in Augustin?

Portland lies in the weeds, but they may not be as aggressive as originally suggested. It sounds like they have plans for Jerryd Bayless, last year's first-rounder, to step into the third guard spot (adios, Sergio Rodriguez) and eventually grow into a complimentary combo guard next to Brandon Roy. If the Blazers made a move for Curry, they would have to dump Bayless.

Now, again, it's still somewhat premature to assume that Curry will be the Knicks top choice after the workouts process is over. But there's little doubt Curry is a player of interest at this point. And his game fits D'Antoni's system.

We'll update after the workout. Remember, the media does not have access to the gym so the insight is limited to the player availability afterward.

OK, lots of threads relating to Curry, but Hahn does lay out a really good argument in favor of him "sliding" to us.
Not so sure moving up would be to get Curry (as he states)...

EMS
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6/10/2009  1:35 PM
I've decided to go to the teachings of the Buddha when I look at this draft. Attachment is the cause of the pain in our lives, be it to women, food, personal possessions, teams, etc. Life and everything in it is transitory; it is about birth, change, and destruction, and if you become too attached to something you are usually going to feel the pain of loss at some point when, for whatever reason, the object you are attached to is no longer there.

Why become attached to Curry, Holiday, Flynn, Rubio, DeRozan, Evans, or any particular player, when there is always the chance that they will not be there for you? Why put yourself in a position to feel pain, since the player of your desire may not even be their for the Knicks to pick?

We must look at this draft's prospects as the Buddha would have looked at them, and be accepting of any player that comes our way. It is only then that we will reach fulfillment and happiness.

We have no control over fate, but we can reach a point in our understanding of life where fate cannot hurt us.

Given the uncertainty of this draft, I believe that this is the only way to think.

So it goes.
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6/10/2009  2:02 PM
Paladin55, I have new respect for you (honestly, but with a laugh). I love to read philosophy and try to live life more fully but "these boards" often take me (us?) back into our minds where, as The Buddha (and others) said, suffering begins. (Especially for Knick fans!).

This book basically started a domino like effect in my life about 13 years ago. Just remember, regarding "Freedom", be careful what you ask for...
http://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Known-Jiddu-Krishnamurti/dp/0060648082/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244656693&sr=8-1

There is a bit of excitement though in not really knowing how the cards will fall. We are not going to show our cards before the draft, so draft night is probably going to be exciting (Oops, there I go again, Buddha is at the door, got to get it...)

Peace in, peace out,
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6/10/2009  2:26 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Paladin55, I have new respect for you (honestly, but with a laugh). I love to read philosophy and try to live life more fully but "these boards" often take me (us?) back into our minds where, as The Buddha (and others) said, suffering begins. (Especially for Knick fans!).

This book basically started a domino like effect in my life about 13 years ago. Just remember, regarding "Freedom", be careful what you ask for...
http://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Known-Jiddu-Krishnamurti/dp/0060648082/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244656693&sr=8-1

There is a bit of excitement though in not really knowing how the cards will fall. We are not going to show our cards before the draft, so draft night is probably going to be exciting (Oops, there I go again, Buddha is at the door, got to get it...)

Peace in, peace out,
EMS

Here is the link to this book in pdf form: http://www.didier-artault.com/05_JK_htm/20-freedom%20from%20the%20known.pdf

It looks interesting and I'll definitely give it a skim and maybe a full blown read if time permits.
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6/11/2009  11:13 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Paladin55, I have new respect for you (honestly, but with a laugh). I love to read philosophy and try to live life more fully but "these boards" often take me (us?) back into our minds where, as The Buddha (and others) said, suffering begins. (Especially for Knick fans!).

This book basically started a domino like effect in my life about 13 years ago. Just remember, regarding "Freedom", be careful what you ask for...
http://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Known-Jiddu-Krishnamurti/dp/0060648082/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244656693&sr=8-1

There is a bit of excitement though in not really knowing how the cards will fall. We are not going to show our cards before the draft, so draft night is probably going to be exciting (Oops, there I go again, Buddha is at the door, got to get it...)

Peace in, peace out,
EMS

I wish I could really feel "detached" about even something as "trivial" (big picture-wise) as the draft, but it is difficult at times. I don't get as caught up in sports as I once did, but I don't know whether that is because I have grown older or just "wiser."

My girlfriend and her family have talked about Krishnamurti, and I think they gave a book of his to her son, who seems to be "addicted" to graffiti at this point in his life. I have not read anything more than a clip of his, but with early retirement (NYC DOE style) coming up, it is something I will look at. Thanks to both of you folks for the links.

Most of my knowledge and interest of Buddhism comes from a Buddhist philosophy class I took in college as part of my major, and the basic concepts have always stuck with me. In terms of linkage to human psychology, original, unadorned Buddhism is by far and away the most sophisticated religion in terms of its understanding of human beings and how we tick. I am not a practicing Buddhist, but feel it is a pretty good philosophy to live by.

People are getting too excited about Curry (and other potential picks), & are heading for major disappointment when and if we don't get him. Everything is out of our control now, but people are talking him up more and more, thinking that getting him is a fate accompli. Too many variables have to go right for us to get him at 8, so I am resigned to not getting him at all. I am also interested in Rubio, but understand the odds against us getting him.

With 2 weeks to, in fact, all the popular picks on UK- Evans, Rubio, Curry, Holiday, DeRozan, etc.- are potentially gone at 8 when we pick. It will be interesting to see how much desire the Knicks have for Curry, and whether they will attempt do what the Jets did to get Sanchez.

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6/12/2009  12:09 AM
The main philosophic principal I am following is to be in current moment.
The past is dead and it doesn’t make sense to cry about it; and the future is not there yet so it doesn’t make sense to wonder.
So enjoy the current moment of live, as it is unique and the only real thing given to us.

As Old Russian song goes:
"Mute is all in this crazy world,
There is only moment, so hold on to it,
There is only moment between past and future,
It, only it, called live..."
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6/12/2009  5:32 AM
Posted by arkrud:


It, only it, called live..."

Ark, I love you. Live would be so much less full without you.
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6/12/2009  8:43 AM
Posted by arkrud:

The main philosophic principal I am following is to be in current moment.
The past is dead and it doesn’t make sense to cry about it; and the future is not there yet so it doesn’t make sense to wonder.
So enjoy the current moment of live, as it is unique and the only real thing given to us.

As Old Russian song goes:
"Mute is all in this crazy world,
There is only moment, so hold on to it,
There is only moment between past and future,
It, only it, called live..."

LOL ark, god damn that is classic
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6/12/2009  9:57 AM
Wow. I didn't expect to read the name "Krishnamurti" in this thread, I tell you what! I got put onto him by a college counselor, who gave me "At the Feet of the Master," written by him under the pen-name Alcyone when he was 14.

http://www.katinkahesselink.net/other/alcyone.htm

I'm going to check out that Freedom from the Known book. Thanks guys for the deep thoughts!

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6/12/2009  10:28 AM
If we're going to apply detachment from our pick, we should consistently apply that same detachment from the Knicks. It will make the next five years of crap basketball that much easier to ignore.
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6/12/2009  12:42 PM
Since a few of you "spiritual cats" like the Krishnamurti mention I'll add this. The "Freedom from the Known Book" is extremely on the deep end. Most people who know of it can't say they disagree with anything he says, but say "How could anybody live life as such?". Well, he did. A more "accessible" book and a GREAT read is "This light in oneself" (or something like that).

There seem to be a lot of doors to truth, and any one door is not necessarily the best for everyone. But, ok a piece of advise that took me a while to understand, when you do find "a door" go all the way in and stay there a while. Don't window shop to much...

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6/12/2009  5:29 PM
Posted by arkrud:

The main philosophic principal I am following is to be in current moment.
The past is dead and it doesn’t make sense to cry about it; and the future is not there yet so it doesn’t make sense to wonder.
So enjoy the current moment of live, as it is unique and the only real thing given to us.

As Old Russian song goes:
"Mute is all in this crazy world,
There is only moment, so hold on to it,
There is only moment between past and future,
It, only it, called live..."

That is pretty much the idea of the "freedom from the known" book.

Thanks EMS for the find, and i'll check out 'the light is...' as soon as i'm done with 'freedom from...'

But you speak of doors-- wouldn't Krish' say that you are trapped, again, if you fall into a 'door'?
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6/13/2009  10:00 AM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by arkrud:

The main philosophic principal I am following is to be in current moment.
The past is dead and it doesn�t make sense to cry about it; and the future is not there yet so it doesn�t make sense to wonder.
So enjoy the current moment of live, as it is unique and the only real thing given to us.

As Old Russian song goes:
"Mute is all in this crazy world,
There is only moment, so hold on to it,
There is only moment between past and future,
It, only it, called live..."

That is pretty much the idea of the "freedom from the known" book.

Thanks EMS for the find, and i'll check out 'the light is...' as soon as i'm done with 'freedom from...'

But you speak of doors-- wouldn't Krish' say that you are trapped, again, if you fall into a 'door'?
Yes and no, Krishnamurti was known for saying "Life is a pathless land." He clearly didn't believe in having a Guru or following in a path. His basic message is to live in the "now". That meditation is a state of mind to be done all the time and not in the corner of the room. He would joke and say things like "You can stand on your head and meditate...but that will NEVER take you to the promised land." (I chopped his quote up pretty badly).

So, regarding being trapped again, to a point I guess he would, but that would ironically enough include "following" Krishnamurti. He saw himself as inspirational in my view. He didn'T want to have a following and that is why he stepped down from his "spiritual title" when he was quite young. You should read his basic story, he really toppled the whole Guru thing. Also, he spoke with David Bohm (world renowned physicist) about life and physics and imo (and many others) seemed to lead the conversations... (for what that is worth).

When I said not to window shop, I didn't mean to follow a path (per say), but to stick with something for long enough to know if it resonates with you. I guess that is sort of a path depending on how you define path. For the sake of this, lets say no monotonous thinking, not giving up your power, not following a "method", to think for yourself, etc. To Krishnamurti that would include: joining an order, having a Guru, becoming a "yogi", "monk", etc. In other words following another or anothers words or way...

Really really hard to put Krisnamurti in a box, really really hard as he was the antithesis of boxes...

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6/13/2009  12:03 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by arkrud:

The main philosophic principal I am following is to be in current moment.
The past is dead and it doesn�t make sense to cry about it; and the future is not there yet so it doesn�t make sense to wonder.
So enjoy the current moment of live, as it is unique and the only real thing given to us.

As Old Russian song goes:
"Mute is all in this crazy world,
There is only moment, so hold on to it,
There is only moment between past and future,
It, only it, called live..."

That is pretty much the idea of the "freedom from the known" book.

Thanks EMS for the find, and i'll check out 'the light is...' as soon as i'm done with 'freedom from...'

But you speak of doors-- wouldn't Krish' say that you are trapped, again, if you fall into a 'door'?
Yes and no, Krishnamurti was known for saying "Life is a pathless land." He clearly didn't believe in having a Guru or following in a path. His basic message is to live in the "now". That meditation is a state of mind to be done all the time and not in the corner of the room. He would joke and say things like "You can stand on your head and meditate...but that will NEVER take you to the promised land." (I chopped his quote up pretty badly).

So, regarding being trapped again, to a point I guess he would, but that would ironically enough include "following" Krishnamurti. He saw himself as inspirational in my view. He didn'T want to have a following and that is why he stepped down from his "spiritual title" when he was quite young. You should read his basic story, he really toppled the whole Guru thing. Also, he spoke with David Bohm (world renowned physicist) about life and physics and imo (and many others) seemed to lead the conversations... (for what that is worth).

When I said not to window shop, I didn't mean to follow a path (per say), but to stick with something for long enough to know if it resonates with you. I guess that is sort of a path depending on how you define path. For the sake of this, lets say no monotonous thinking, not giving up your power, not following a "method", to think for yourself, etc. To Krishnamurti that would include: joining an order, having a Guru, becoming a "yogi", "monk", etc. In other words following another or anothers words or way...

Really really hard to put Krisnamurti in a box, really really hard as he was the antithesis of boxes...

EMS

I feel you. I am on my second read, and I understand what you meant by door-- sorry, I mistook it for 'path'. We're clear on the door.

First step is not to seek, of course, chapter I, because if you seek you are only window shopping.

Bless you; I've spread the book to many people I care about already.
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