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Jack McClinton - Possible replacement for Nate in the 2nd round?
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6/9/2009  6:34 AM
Someone on a Giants board mentioned that he read (in the NY Post) that the Knicks were interested in Jack McClinton. He didn't have a link and I wasn't able to find it online, so I don't know. But I did take a look at his write-up in draftexpress.com and found some interesting stuff. This guy's got a great shot. He's too short to start at shooting guard and doesn't have the skills to play the point. So he's a second round pick who should be able to help off the bench. Here's what they said -
•Based on this analysis, Jack McClinton looks like a bona fide NBA player.

Despite playing on a bad team with few other scoring options, McClinton was the most efficient shooting guard in our database at 1.08 PPP. He also ranked second in logged FG% at 47%, on a very respectable 18.6 possessions per game. Showing clear-cut limitations as a finisher around the basket (2nd worst amongst all SGs in fact), McClinton’s best asset is his jump shot. He was above average in PPP in his 1.9 guarded catch and shoot shots per game at 1.09, but was off the charts at 1.8 PPP on 2.5 unguarded catch and shoot shots per game. He was also the best pull up shooter in our database at 1.08 PPP on 5.5 shots per game.

Though he didn’t stand out on the pick and roll or in transition, McClinton’s 1.07 PPP on 4 isolation possessions per game lead us to believe that he has most of the raw tools required to be an excellent threat to score off the bench. He shot over 50% in one-on-one situations driving in either direction, making him the most balanced player on our list. Even though he took a lot of threes, McClinton still scored on a higher percentage of his logged possessions than any other two at 47%. Though he’ll need to expand his range a bit and show that he can produce at the same level he did this season, it isn’t inconceivable that he develops into an Eddie House type player down the road.
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6/9/2009  8:13 AM
Yeah, read something about that too. The kid can FLAT OUT SHOOT. He is NO Roberson be rest assured. Super athletic and he shot something like 45% from 3!!! But, he is about 6'1" in shoes, so depending on who we pick as our PG we need to be careful. (Don't want two short guys in the backcourt, one is fine though.)
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6/9/2009  12:56 PM
I'm glad MDA's showing some interest - I've liked him for a long time myself. McClinton can play. Similar to Eddie House, but I think this guy's more than House to be honest and I like House. I think this guy's more than just a spot up 3 pt. shooter. He's strong (built like a little pitbull), much quicker than an Eddie House with and w/o the ball, has a good handle and decent court vision/awareness despite being a scorer first and foremost (I see a guy with enough skill to bring the ball up and start an offense at times) and despite the knock that he doesn't take it to the goal, he can get to the rim. You're not gonna see some of the crazy things Nate can do like the occasional dunk on guys in traffic or blocking Yao Ming's shot etc.. but if they're looking to deal off Robinson and they're looking for a guy to replace more or less what Nate brings to the table, this is a guy who's fully capable of sliding right into that role for us. Take a look at some of these clips (against top competition btw):





[Edited by - finestrg on 06-09-2009 5:57 PM]
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6/9/2009  1:14 PM
I posted this in the main draft thread the other day. Doubt that we would use anything higher than a #45 pick on him.
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6/9/2009  2:31 PM
why are we always looking at these undersized players for God's sakes??? i just don't get it... why can't we ever look at guys who actually have the physical size to be successful at their respective positions? u can easily get Dionte Christmas in the purchased 2nd round pick, who has an NBA ready body & size & can shoot the lights out as well... i'm so sick of being an undersized team... it's been going on since the Layden days & it's been ongoing ever since... it's ridiculous.
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6/9/2009  2:45 PM
Posted by TMS:

why are we always looking at these undersized players for God's sakes??? i just don't get it... why can't we ever look at guys who actually have the physical size to be successful at their respective positions? u can easily get Dionte Christmas in the purchased 2nd round pick, who has an NBA ready body & size & can shoot the lights out as well... i'm so sick of being an undersized team... it's been going on since the Layden days & it's been ongoing ever since... it's ridiculous.

Christmas does look good, but compare some of their stats:
Christmas - 35min 19.5 pts 41.4% FG 35.2% 3ptFG 75% FT 4.6 FTA 2.9 ast 1.5stl
McClinton - 32min 19.3 pts 45% FG 45% 3ptFG 89% FT 4.1 FTA 2.8 ast .8stl

I think it's his INSANE 3ptFG%. I can see your point about Xmas and his height. I just have the feeling they want a very very good shooter here if Lebron is coming. Myself I would always go for the two way players for obvious reasons.
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6/9/2009  2:52 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by TMS:

why are we always looking at these undersized players for God's sakes??? i just don't get it... why can't we ever look at guys who actually have the physical size to be successful at their respective positions? u can easily get Dionte Christmas in the purchased 2nd round pick, who has an NBA ready body & size & can shoot the lights out as well... i'm so sick of being an undersized team... it's been going on since the Layden days & it's been ongoing ever since... it's ridiculous.

Christmas does look good, but compare some of their stats:
Christmas - 35min 19.5 pts 41.4% FG 35.2% 3ptFG 75% FT 4.6 FTA 2.9 ast 1.5stl
McClinton - 32min 19.3 pts 45% FG 45% 3ptFG 89% FT 4.1 FTA 2.8 ast .8stl

I think it's his INSANE 3ptFG%. I can see your point about Xmas and his height. I just have the feeling they want a very very good shooter here if Lebron is coming. Myself I would always go for the two way players for obvious reasons.

i think Christmas enjoys a significant advantage on defense & rebounding over McClinton... he would be like a poor man's Joe Johnson next to Lebron (if he's even coming here), i think that could work out well... i'm assuming we're gonna be drafting Stephen Curry or moving up to take Rubio... that would give u good size at all 3 perimeter positions on the floor as well as Chandler, who could start at SG if u like as well... mismatches in our favor for a change, not the other way around.
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6/9/2009  3:19 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by TMS:

why are we always looking at these undersized players for God's sakes??? i just don't get it... why can't we ever look at guys who actually have the physical size to be successful at their respective positions? u can easily get Dionte Christmas in the purchased 2nd round pick, who has an NBA ready body & size & can shoot the lights out as well... i'm so sick of being an undersized team... it's been going on since the Layden days & it's been ongoing ever since... it's ridiculous.

Christmas does look good, but compare some of their stats:
Christmas - 35min 19.5 pts 41.4% FG 35.2% 3ptFG 75% FT 4.6 FTA 2.9 ast 1.5stl
McClinton - 32min 19.3 pts 45% FG 45% 3ptFG 89% FT 4.1 FTA 2.8 ast .8stl

I think it's his INSANE 3ptFG%. I can see your point about Xmas and his height. I just have the feeling they want a very very good shooter here if Lebron is coming. Myself I would always go for the two way players for obvious reasons.

i think Christmas enjoys a significant advantage on defense & rebounding over McClinton... he would be like a poor man's Joe Johnson next to Lebron (if he's even coming here), i think that could work out well... i'm assuming we're gonna be drafting Stephen Curry or moving up to take Rubio... that would give u good size at all 3 perimeter positions on the floor as well as Chandler, who could start at SG if u like as well... mismatches in our favor for a change, not the other way around.

I agree with you for the most part, only posted that to show his scoring ability (in particular on threes). He really did Carry his team, which supposedly wasn't very talented according to draft express. I think having a team full of two way players will trounce most other combinations. Lebron plays great defense and he needs others around him who do the same, otherwise he will have to give to much on the defensive end, which leads to a breakdown in more than one way.

I just wonder if McClinton might be a special shooter and every team needs one of those. But if we draft Curry and we have Gallo, it's sort of overkill to then draft McClinton. (Unless they see him as a replacement for Nate, where as Xmas is the more complete player, but they are looking for Nates replacement on offense.)
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6/9/2009  3:33 PM
McClinton isn't a finisher, he can't replace Nate, few can from that standpoint
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6/9/2009  4:03 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

I just wonder if McClinton might be a special shooter and every team needs one of those. But if we draft Curry and we have Gallo, it's sort of overkill to then draft McClinton. (Unless they see him as a replacement for Nate, where as Xmas is the more complete player, but they are looking for Nates replacement on offense.)

i just don't see why we can't find Nate's replacement w/a player who isn't 4 feet tall... bottomline, u want that offense off the bench, doesn't really matter how u get it... if u can get it from someone who can shoot from the perimeter, post up smaller G's, has a very solid midrange game & can also play defense & rebound on the other end, all the better if u ask me.

if u want a specialized shooter off the bench who looks like a PG, then just sign Eddie House or someone like him w/a LLE contract or pick one up in the D Leagues, i'm sure there's plenty of guys like that to choose from & u won't have to use up a draft pick to get them... personally i think we have enough shooters on this team, we need some size & guys who can play some D.
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6/9/2009  5:26 PM
Why replace Nate?

Nate is Great!

Put two Nates together...

And now you have eight.

Nate won't deflate.

Nate won't debate.

Nate will incinerate!

Nate will disentegrate!

Please don't replace Nate.

Nate is Great!

The Human Steroid fears Krypto-Nate!





the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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6/9/2009  5:41 PM
Posted by McK1:

Why replace Nate?

Nate is Great!

Put two Nates together...

And now you have eight.

Nate won't deflate.

Nate won't debate.

Nate will incinerate!

Nate will disentegrate!

Please don't replace Nate.

Nate is Great!

The Human Steroid fears Krypto-Nate!





jibbety jibbety, ratta tat tat



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6/9/2009  6:20 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

McClinton isn't a finisher, he can't replace Nate, few can from that standpoint

See this is where I disagree. If you wanna say he's too small, too one dimensional etc.. I can see where guys are coming from. I don't necessarily agree but I can see the argument. But the 'can't finish' knock - every time I read that, I just don't get that one. I never got that impression when I watched him play and I've see him play a lot. Take a look at the 2nd clip I posted against Clemson. The whole clip is McClinton taking the ball strong to the rim. Look at that clip and then ask yourselves if you've ever seen Eddie House do stuff like that - taking it to the rim like that, with that type of handle and ball control, splitting defenders etc.. Eddie House is a very valuable player. He's an excellent spot up shooter - but almost exculsively. McClinton's that and then some. He's more Nate Robinson than Eddie House. I wouldn't mind it at all if we added him to the team.

[Edited by - finestrg on 06-09-2009 6:25 PM]
Jack McClinton - Possible replacement for Nate in the 2nd round?

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