Posted by kam77:

who took the most free throws?

Posted by JohnWallace44:

I've been begging the Curry lovers to come up with some actual evidence you can point to that backs up your claim that he's the best pick the Knicks can make and nobody has said anything other than he's got heart. Well, I did your homework for you. You can thank me later.


Deron Williams is one of the players that I would like to see more than any other on the Knicks. He is 6'3" and over 200 pounds at the point. He leads them to wins because of his size and the way he plays allows him to score efficiently because he gets to the line a lot.

Last season Deron took 984 shots and went to the line 384 times, scoring at a 19.4 ppg clip (1322 total). That's not even taking into consideration the way he runs the offense.

Deron Williams - 1.34 points per shot attempt
J Crawford - 1.25 ppsa for reference - we know his style of play
Kobe - 1.29 ppsa
Ben Gordon - 1.29 ppsa
Joe Johnson - 1.19
Nash - 1.36
CP3 - 1.42
Nate - 1.24
DRose - 1.13

Stephon Curry, in low level college took 687 shots last year and got to the line 220 times. He scored 974 points.

Stephon Curry - 1.41 points per shot attempt (1.28 ppsa vs Duke/WVA/OKU)
Jrue Holiday - 1.19 ppsa
Tyreke Evans - 1.25
Flynn - 1.39
Maynor - 1.42
Lawson - 1.70
Derozan - 1.32
Rubio - 1.35 (Euroleague 07-08)
Collison - 1.47
Meeks - 1.50
Jennings - 1.32 (Euroleague 08-09)
Westbrook - 1.29 (UCLA 2008)

I looked this up expecting to see that Evans and Holiday score at a much more efficient clip than Curry. That's not the case. It does bring Meeks' low projection into question even more and makes Flynn look great considering the competition.

Looking at these stats I need to go back to the film room and look at some more Holiday and Evans games. Curry is scoring those points against poor competition and I've pointed out his less than stellar efficiency against the Duke, West Virginia, and Oklahoma. However the low numbers of Holiday and Evans are concerning.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

before the draft, Hollinger usually comes out with a more comprehensive run down of all the potential draftees

This is my poor attempt at the same thing. I really thought Curry would come up with lesser numbers than Holiday or Evans. Its a head scratcher.

Flynn and Lawson's numbers are impressive when you think about how they ran their offenses at the same time. I had to check Lawson's three times to make sure it was right.

NYK4ever, I must have missed the stat filled posts on the Curry/Griffo sides. All I ever see are posts exaggerating Griffin's size, comparing him to Malone, or talking about Curry's passing ability without statistical backup.

Posted by JohnWallace44:
Lawson's numbers are impressive when you think about how they ran their offenses at the same time. I had to check Lawson's three times to make sure it was right.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by firefly:

JW, I was struck by the amount of FT's Jrue Holiday attempted compared to the rest of the PG field. For a guy you want to come inside and be a physical presence, his FT attempted number must be giving you pause for thought.

Stephon Curry - 220-251
Jrue Holiday - 45-62
Tyreke Evans - 138-194
Flynn - 180-229
Maynor - 198-243
Lawson - 166-208
Derozan - 95-147
Rubio - 83-103 (Spain - 25 Games)
...... - 18-23 (Spain Olympics - 8 Games)
...... - 5-8 (Spain EuroLeague - 5 Games)
Collison - 113-126
Meeks - 211-234
Jennings - 24-31 (Italy - EuroLeague - 16 Games)
...... - 20-31 (Italy - 27 Games)
Westbrook - 95-114

Holiday attempted a quarter of Currys makes. Doesnt show him to be very interested in contact, to me.

Ultimately my arguments are based on two things...
1 - the size advantage that Holiday, Evans, Derozan have would make us more competitive on defense against guys like Harris, Pierce, Allen, Rondo, Miller, Vince, etc. I don't see Curry helping us out there.

2 - The size also should come into play on offense in terms of scoring efficiency because the LeBron/Wade/Kobe's are scoring in bunches at MSG by getting to the line, not by hitting jumpers.

Holiday continues to be a complete projection because he was misused by UCLA. His numbers are concerning though.

Looking at these numbers that we've pulled in this thread, it gives me a better feeling about Derozan, Flynn and Meeks.

Drafting Derozan is looking more and more like the way to go from my perspective. That would give you upside and value on the top of the draft. And then if we can pick up a late selection from Minny, Memphis or Portland and pick up Beaubois (1.37 ppsa) late you'd be utilizing the extraordinary point guard depth in the draft as well.

Beaubois/Duhon
Derozan/Hughes
Chandler
Gallo/Al Jr
Darko/Jeffries

With a Memphis trade we could end up with a team like this. Beaubois could be Collison or Lawson as well if you prefer.

I like this plan the more that I think about it. You could pull value from the top and bottom of the draft.

Hopefully Derozan drops to us.

Knicks are able to get another pick and darko. Knicks select if he were there Curry at 8. With the Memphis pick they select Taj Gibson. Now the KNicks look like this.

Curry/Duhon pg
Chandler/hughes sg
Darko/Curry C
Gallo/Harrington sf
Gibson/JJ pf