Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by PresIke:

big question and concern is whether it is worth it to do this for jamison and his deal.

we just spent time trying to rid ourselves of z-bo's and jamison's isn't much better and he's older.

Yeah you're right - I don't think they want any part of Jamison's contract. Plus, any deal with the Wizards will have to include the 8th pick. No deal even gets off the ground if the Knicks don't start with an offer that included the 8th pick IMO.

Maybe something like this (I posted this the other day):

#8, Chris Duhon, a 2010 2nd + cash to Washington for Brendan Haywood and #5.

Washington gets Duhon (about 7 years younger than Mike James who's coming to the end of the line, Duhon's a steady enough PG that would free up Arenas to play more off the ball and concentrate on scoring, plus Duhon's deal expires if he didn't work out or the Wizards decided to go in another direction), they jettison Brendan Haywood which frees up time down low for Blatche & McGee, plus at 8 they could get a very good player to help them. We could also expand this by including Nate Robinson -- maybe instead go Duhon, #8, 2010 2nd rounder, cash, for Mike James & #5 then come July agree to trade a resigned Nate for Haywood's expiring and a 2010 1st rounder (top 12 protected say) or at the very least the player we tell them to select this year at #33.

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Also, I'm keeping a close eye on what Sacramento eventually winds up doing if I'm Donnie. Someone posted an article the other day where the writer said there's a possibility the Kings decide to part with Jason Thompson in order to move up themselves from the #4 spot. If that went down, we might eventually be able to work something out with Sac. for David Lee in a S&T later on in July (if Thompson got dealt they'd need a PF and they've always liked Lee). Maybe David Lee for the expiring contracts of Abdur-Rahim & Mikki Moore (about $8.6 mil. total) plus two players they draft for us at #23 & #31. Or, maybe Lee straight up for Kenny Thomas' expiring contract (almost the same - right around $8.6 mil.) and the two players they draft at #23 & #31 for us... Do they like Rubio enough where they're prepared to dangle Jason Thompson to move up?? Maybe. We get out from under a long-term David Lee deal and grab two decent players with those picks (maybe a Taj Gibson and a shooter like Meeks or someone else)..


[Edited by - finestrg on 06-03-2009 10:32 PM]

kby was saying on another forum that he read that the wiz don't want to have any pick in this year's draft because they don't want to pay the $$.

i like the duhon for haywood deal especially if we can keep our #8 pick.

the wiz could be cool with it because they don't really need haywood with blatche and mcgee, but they sure could use someone like duhon, even for 1 year. they could see how a real pg can do with arenas. for us it gets us a shot blocker. however, i feel like the $3 mil is not enough to make it a good deal for the wiz...

how about...

duhon + mobley or q + a future 2nd rounder for haywood + songalia + stevenson + #5 pick

they get 2 endings in duhon and mobley/q and rid of two somewhat overpaid guys (stevenson + songalia) who could be rotation players for us after the 2010 season, and who aren't THAT overpaid.

songalia is an offensive minded team player and efficent scorer who should fit well into mike d's system. he takes most of his shots from the outside, but also can score close to the hoop.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08WAS13.HTM

notice how last year, 87% of his jumpers were assisted as were 73% of close shots. so, we could gather that he doesn't need the ball in his hands to score, which folks who know ball realize means he is active, moving around to get open...perfect for mike d. also notice his eFG% is high earlier in the shot clock and still mostly when assisted from someone else. either way if gallo isn't recovered, ready, or we have foul trouble he could be decent for us and adds some david lee insurance at least in terms of effort, although he doesn't board or block. he seems like a nice player for us, actually.

http://www.82games.com/0708/07WAS5A.HTM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stevede01.html

stevenson, from a sophomoric glance fell off big time last year, but hello...back pain...uh oh... well, if he can get back to close to form he might be quite useful under mike d. he LOVES to shoot. remember that youtube shooting contest between he and arenas? arenas won, sure but stevenson didn't suck. also contrary to gilbert, stevenson actually takes a lot of his jumpers assisted. the year before he hurt his back he took 82% of his shots from the outside, but 73% were assisted. He would give us another shooting guard that can slot into the rotation, especially if we lose nate. actually stevenson is a more efficient scorer than hughes.

it's almost little wonder the wiz were a good team for the past few years, because these two players have some decent things that have worked. look at how charlotte got diaw and bell to help them. to me this is a similar move for the knicks.

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-03-2009 11:17 PM]

Posted by martin:

I am thinking that unless the Knicks get a great deal, Duhon sticks with the Knicks. MDA's offense won't run with just a rookie PG.

Posted by Nalod:

I still contend that Rubio can fall to the 5 spot.

If Wiz don't want our pick, then we can do a three way with portland where they can get Curry, we get Rubio, and Washington gets pieces to make a nice run next season.

What does Washington really want is the question? Cap room? Specific Skill set to compliment Arenas?

Portland has the pieces to do many deals but is curry really going in the top 5?

Crazy, but I think this has some real possibilities. What if Portland trades all the way down to 2 and takes Rubio. We trade down to 5 and take Curry. We swap Curry for Rubio and some misc pieces get exchanged (maybe a re-signed Lee to Portland for Outlaw). There could be alot of scenarios if all four teams to get what they want.