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What do the Knicks do for a PG if Holiday Curry Evans and Rubio are gone by 8?
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BRIGGS
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6/2/2009  3:41 PM
Who is the next option?
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6/2/2009  3:45 PM
I'd still go after Jennings. If you don't like that idea, then they could always trade down and go for a guy like Teague or Maynor while hopefully picking up another 1st Rounder in the process.
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6/2/2009  3:51 PM
I'd trade down and get Teague, this guy was playing at an elite level for the first half of last year
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6/2/2009  3:57 PM
Is Derozan there?
Is Hill there?
Is Harden there?

Holiday - Evans - Rubio - Curry - Griffin - Thabeet - I'm assuming are gone in this hypothetical

One other player needs to be missing.

I wouldn't have much of a problem getting Derozan, Hill or Harden at eight. Harden doesn't seem to fit our style. So it would likely be one of the other two.

Derozan would be my preference, and then take someone like Mills or one of the foreign PG's with the pick we're trying to buy from Memphis.

Are you digging for a Mullens pick? I wouldn't do that at #8 regardless.
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6/2/2009  4:10 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Is Derozan there?
Is Hill there?
Is Harden there?

Holiday - Evans - Rubio - Curry - Griffin - Thabeet - I'm assuming are gone in this hypothetical

One other player needs to be missing.

I wouldn't have much of a problem getting Derozan, Hill or Harden at eight. Harden doesn't seem to fit our style. So it would likely be one of the other two.

Derozan would be my preference, and then take someone like Mills or one of the foreign PG's with the pick we're trying to buy from Memphis.

Are you digging for a Mullens pick? I wouldn't do that at #8 regardless.

I don't think the Knicks are even contemplating on taking Mullens--its pretty clear they want a PG----when you work in contingencies--you have to expect any scenario possible. I agree with NY3 I would trade down for a 2010 pick and take Teague.
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6/2/2009  4:15 PM
I don't know Teague so I'll just say Flynn.
But as JohnWallace44 said, some other nice non PG players might fall to us at 8. Then perhaps we draft the BPA and get a PG later in the draft or somehow else.
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6/2/2009  4:22 PM
So you're going to trade down assuming there's a partner that wants to trade up and lose out on Harden, Hill and Derozan?

And you're going to take Teague, which means you're saying he's that much better than the guys you can buy at the end of the first like De Colo, Mills, Jerrells and Beaubois?

What would we be getting back in a deal like that? Minny's two lower picks?

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6/2/2009  4:36 PM
If all those players go in the top 7, we still have plenty of options. I'd probably opt for Jennings with Derozan not far behind.

I'm not much of a Hill fan, but I'm sure there are plenty of teams who'd love to have him. Maybe we take him and then trade him for a little extra value afterword?
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6/2/2009  5:22 PM
Jennings, Teague, Derozan, Harden, Thabeet, depends on who drops down to the Knicks.
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6/2/2009  5:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Who is the next option?

Draft Derozan or Harden because one of them would likely have fallen.

Find a point guard either overseas or via free agency (Sessions?).
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6/2/2009  5:25 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Who is the next option?

Draft Derozan or Harden because one of them would likely have fallen.

Find a point guard either overseas or via free agency (Sessions?).

Buy Portlands #24 pick and select Calathes so that he becomes our 2010 #1 pick after his contract is up in a year.
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6/2/2009  5:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Is Derozan there?
Is Hill there?
Is Harden there?

Holiday - Evans - Rubio - Curry - Griffin - Thabeet - I'm assuming are gone in this hypothetical

One other player needs to be missing.

I wouldn't have much of a problem getting Derozan, Hill or Harden at eight. Harden doesn't seem to fit our style. So it would likely be one of the other two.

Derozan would be my preference, and then take someone like Mills or one of the foreign PG's with the pick we're trying to buy from Memphis.

Are you digging for a Mullens pick? I wouldn't do that at #8 regardless.

I don't think the Knicks are even contemplating on taking Mullens--its pretty clear they want a PG----when you work in contingencies--you have to expect any scenario possible. I agree with NY3 I would trade down for a 2010 pick and take Teague.

so now you're saying you wouldn't take Derozan if he were there for us at #8? Jeff Teague can be had by purchasing a late 1st rounder, u'd be nuts to pass up on a bigtime prospect like DD to get that guy IMO.
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6/2/2009  10:03 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Is Derozan there?
Is Hill there?
Is Harden there?

Holiday - Evans - Rubio - Curry - Griffin - Thabeet - I'm assuming are gone in this hypothetical

One other player needs to be missing.

I wouldn't have much of a problem getting Derozan, Hill or Harden at eight. Harden doesn't seem to fit our style. So it would likely be one of the other two.

Derozan would be my preference, and then take someone like Mills or one of the foreign PG's with the pick we're trying to buy from Memphis.

Are you digging for a Mullens pick? I wouldn't do that at #8 regardless.

I don't think the Knicks are even contemplating on taking Mullens--its pretty clear they want a PG----when you work in contingencies--you have to expect any scenario possible. I agree with NY3 I would trade down for a 2010 pick and take Teague.

so now you're saying you wouldn't take Derozan if he were there for us at #8? Jeff Teague can be had by purchasing a late 1st rounder, u'd be nuts to pass up on a bigtime prospect like DD to get that guy IMO.

I don't believe that we would even think about taking Teague with a later pick. He is a smaller version of Bayless, which means he is not the guy you want leading your team as a PG. Why not try the forgotten man, Collison, if you pick after 20 and want a PG?
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6/2/2009  10:16 PM
I would'nt worry so much about those guy's not being available. Most of the teams ahaed of us have solid guards already on there roster if you really think about it. Unless teams start drafting base on talent and that to me gets coaches fired. The kings are really the only team ahead of us that needs guards,
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6/3/2009  7:36 AM
how about Nate Robinson and Chris Duhon?
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6/3/2009  9:19 AM
The real question is whether or not the Knicks HAVE to have one of the top PGs available when they pick at #8 to keep that pick. What if Hill, Harden, or DeRozan are available?

My feeling is that Hill and Harden will already be gone, but I could see us taking one of them if they drop. There is also a chance that DeRozan will be gone before we draft.

I was pretty brutal on Harden after seeing his final 3 collegiate games, and thought he was an inferior athlete, but he obviously worked on his body, and if you compare his athletic measurements from the combine with other guards, both PG and SG, he comes out as one of the better all-around athletes in this draft. I know he is not considered a MDA system player, but he is one of the smartest players in the draft, can play at SG, can play minutes at PG and distribute the ball unselfishly, can hit the jumper, and has the strength and length to post up players.

Hill is being looked at now as a true PF/C. Guy can rebound, has a lot of energy, can hit a midrange J, and he seems to be a good kid who understands that he has to improve his game. The guy is over 6'10" in shoes, and has a giant wingspan. Add 20-25 lbs to his body and you have a guy who can potentially hold his own against most centers in this league.

We should have enough talent on the board at 8 to get a good player no matter what. If Jennings impresses a team before us that will also help our chances of getting one of the PGs we want at #8.

I also get a feeling that we may still end up with Rubio based on the fact that he seems to be finicky about where he wants to play.

Should be an interesting draft no matter what.

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6/3/2009  9:24 AM
If we were planning to send our entire staff to go look at Jennings at the Eurocamp, that means we very well could take him if we like him in workouts.

Me happy then.

but as others stated, if all of those 4 are taken that pretty much means DeRonzan and Harden dropped.

Not sure the Knicks would want DeRonzan though.
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