offer MIN a deal of Cuttino Mobley's contract + $3 mil in cash for Brian Cardinal & Mark Madsen's expirings & the #18 pick.

this is a wash for both teams cap wise, but the T'Wolves do get an extra $3 mil along w/opening up 2 roster spots to make room for their #6 lottery selection along w/another free agent that would basically be paid for by the Knicks.

right now the T'Wolves have 13 players under contract for next season... so they have little room to add 2 more 1st round selections to their roster this year & still find playing time for all their guys... this is in essence trading the #18 pick for $3 mil in cash & 2 more roster spots... i think this is a trade that's reasonable & one we can easily make to add an extra 1st round pick that benefits both teams.

w/that #18 we can use it to move up in the draft to #5 & take Derozan, or at the very least we can probably nab at least 1 of these prospects - BJ Mullens, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, Chase Budinger, DeJuan Blair

I think we'd have to offer more for the 18th pick, but I like the idea. Maybe adding the 2nd round pick we got for Balkman would help. DeRozan has been opening some eyes lately. My guess is that he goes fourth in this draft.

As I alluded to in another thread TMS I think this type of deal will be snatched up by another team. The reason being the 7 million that will be paid for by insurance (of the 9.5 million Mobley is due). I don't think you need to add the 3 million in cash, cause that brings the "free money" up to 10 million and for 10 million we should be able to get something MUCH higher imo. It really does amount to that. (I'm not so familiar with the players you mentioned so weigh in if that is a good deal for us).

What are some other teams that are looking to save money and might part with their pick? I really feel that 7 million insured is a gold mine for picking up an extra pick (and of course getting back a decent to good player e.g. Darko).

EMS

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by earthmansurfer:

As I alluded to in another thread TMS I think this type of deal will be snatched up by another team. The reason being the 7 million that will be paid for by insurance (of the 9.5 million Mobley is due). I don't think you need to add the 3 million in cash, cause that brings the "free money" up to 10 million and for 10 million we should be able to get something MUCH higher imo. It really does amount to that. (I'm not so familiar with the players you mentioned so weigh in if that is a good deal for us).

What are some other teams that are looking to save money and might part with their pick? I really feel that 7 million insured is a gold mine for picking up an extra pick (and of course getting back a decent to good player e.g. Darko).

EMS

Is that money we would NOT have to pay Mobley? If so, then we're spending $10 mil on the 18th pick in what's considered a weak draft? That's a lot of money to spend. How much would the player be making in 2010 too? I know it's probably only a couple mil but it will still take up cap room when we need max dollars. I'd be more for doing this type of deal after 2010 when we won't need to be concerned about cap space again. I would be very hesitant to add money to the 2010 payroll if we weren't getting a sure thing.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-31-2009 2:46 PM]

The way I understand it is that insurance will pay 80% and we (or whatever team we trade his rights to) will pay the remaining 20%. So, if a team trades us a comparable contract they are essentially getting 7 million from the insurance company. Then add to that whatever cash we pay for the pick (3 or so million).

This is what I'm saying, in this economic situation the Mobley thing is HUGE. All we have to do is trade him for an expiring deal (Mobley is expiring as well, so there is no 2010 concern and no deal possible after 2010 to consider) and I'm not so sure we need to include cash as the other team will be saving 7 million though he will still be on their salary cap.

The only thing we would be adding to the payroll would be the rookie pay, unless we traded Mobley for a 2 year or more player, which I doubt we do (unless it's a great player). If we use Mobley in a deal for a draft pick it SHOULD be a lot higher than in the 20's...

EMS

Posted by TMS:

EMS, i wasn't aware that most of his contract would be paid by insurance... i do know we were denied a medical exception when he had to retire... if that's the case then i agree, we probably wouldn't have to throw in that extra $3 mil in cash... $7 mil in salary savings should be enough to buy a #18 pick considering MIN's situation w/their roster spots, etc.

TMS, in a regular economic climate I think the Mobley deal and cash can get us a mid first round pick. But in this economy it can get us much much more. We just have to be at the right place and time. As Briggs said in the Darko thread, our #8 & Mobley & Cash might get us the #2 and Darko. It's a 10 million dollar savings! I'm not saying it will but as the draft approaches these teams that are in trouble are going to start to seriously considering some of these offers for picks we have been talking about.

Basically, the Mobley thing is going to either net us a pretty to very good draft pick or a very good player (either from a team that is needing to save money).

It skips me, who are the teams in financial trouble? We need to look at their rosters for 9 million dollar expirings (one contract or multiple) and good draft picks.

Oh, and don't forget, we have 45 million in expirings this year! Something very very big can happen (for a player that goes past 2010 as well. Maybe one big free agent this year...).

EMS

Posted by TheGame:

I really like the idea of trying to get the #18 pick for Mobley's contract. I would throw in a second round pick and $3 mill if we could move up to the 12-16 range. That is a great plan. I hope Walsh is taking advantage of our deep pockets and working on this deal.

MY guess is that Walsh is working on something. Most competent GM's know when they have resources like we actually have now for once and I do believe Walsh is a competent GM. He's methodical, but he's proven to pull the trigger when he feels the time is right.

i think MIN is our best bet... they have expiring contracts that perfectly match up w/Mobley's (Cardinal & Madsen), they need to open up a roster spot for their lottery pick, & they're a team in a small market that would probably look favorably on saving $7-10 mil off their overhead costs... i think it's a win win for both teams... we get an extra pick that we can use to either move up in this draft or add more depth to the roster & fill a need, we have an owner that isn't afraid to spend money to gain assets, & we have the roster spots to accomodate a trade of this kind next season... MIN also has a 3rd 1st round pick at #28, so we can try to straight out buy that pick if worse comes to worse

Chicago is another option since they have the #16 & #26 picks... we could probably easily buy their #26 for $3 mil.

Memphis is the 3rd possibility since they own the #2 & #27 picks... we could probably get their #27 pick for cash as well.

Oklahoma City also has 2 1st round picks, including the #25

[Edited by - TMS on 06-01-2009 2:21 PM]