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Vmart
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5/27/2009  11:15 AM
I'm watching Orlando and their style of play the Knicks play similarly MDA has a system of shooting threes and open shots when available. Knicks seem to be very close to become a team to be reckoned with. The Knicks have young players in Chandler, Gallo, and this years pick and need to grow together. Just look at the Knicks in comparison to the Magic and it doesn't seem the Knicks are that far off from competing on a very high level.

I know putting the eggs in the Eddy Curry basket is to much to ask and he is no where near Howard. But if the Knicks can put him with a defensive type PF like Rasheed Wallace who has the capability to spread the floor on offense and hold his own on the defensive side. The Knicks will be a very competitive team. Offensively Eddy Curry isn't that bad and he does require a lot of attention on the offensive side.

Suppose the team is in Playoff mode for next year will a lineup of:

Harrington/Gallo sf
Wallace/Jefferies pf
Curry/Wilcox C
Chandler/Hughes SG
Duhon/S Curry PG

Get the Knicks into the playoffs. I think a line up of this caliber can get into the playoffs. To me Rasheed would do wonders for the Knicks because of his versatility. I actually like him better than Camby since Wallace isn't offensively challenged like Camby. Wallace is a defensive minded player blocks shots he plays excellent interior defense. He is up there in age but his defense is still good and has vet savvy that the Knicks can use coming from a pf position.

What this does is removes the need to offer Lee and Nate contracts you don't want to get stuck hold Lee and Nates contract for long term. Or you can use them in S&T for picks or future draft picks.
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5/27/2009  11:28 AM
Depends on what you are asking. Are we far away from the playoffs? No. We are a couple shrewd moves/player improvement away from being a playoff team. If you are asking how far from a title? I'd say we would need to add someone like Dwight Howard/Lebron etc to compete for a title. And we could be very far away from gettign someone like that.
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5/27/2009  11:35 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Depends on what you are asking. Are we far away from the playoffs? No. We are a couple shrewd moves/player improvement away from being a playoff team. If you are asking how far from a title? I'd say we would need to add someone like Dwight Howard/Lebron etc to compete for a title. And we could be very far away from gettign someone like that.

Dwight/LeBron are out of the question. That is not happening. What I'm asking is can the Knicks next year compete against the Magic and hold their own. They may not win but hold their own vs the Magic, with the lineup that I made.

Harrington/Gallo sf
Wallace/Jefferies PF
Curry/Wilcox C
Chandler/Huighes SG
Duhon/S.Curry
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5/27/2009  11:39 AM
after you get past the top 8 teams, the nba is a free for all. any team can jump up from 25 to 10 in rankings. that's how diverse (crappy) it is. so if by "far away", you mean get back into the playoffs? then the answer is no. but if you mean get into that eleite 8 (or 5) category, then the answer is yes.
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5/27/2009  12:12 PM
Yup, unless every player on your team is REALLY REALLY GOOD like Detroit (When they had Big Ben and Billups) or even Denver (and even they have a boarderline superstar) then you're going to need that superstar and a very good supporting cast who plays hard on both ends. We can hit 3s and stuff, and make moves, but other than that, we are quite far from that type of team. Orlando is superior to us. Heck, they are wearing the crap out of Cleveland and Cleveland was superior to us this season as well. We'd get blown out in 4 games against Orlando.
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5/27/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yup, unless every player on your team is REALLY REALLY GOOD like Detroit (When they had Big Ben and Billups) or even Denver (and even they have a boarderline superstar) then you're going to need that superstar and a very good supporting cast who plays hard on both ends. We can hit 3s and stuff, and make moves, but other than that, we are quite far from that type of team. Orlando is superior to us. Heck, they are wearing the crap out of Cleveland and Cleveland was superior to us this season as well. We'd get blown out in 4 games against Orlando.

i'd constitute orlando as more of a match up problem with the cavs, rather than them being superior. turk and lewis just provides defensive matchups which are hard for the cavs to cover while boston and even philly did compensate somewhat except philly lacked the go to guy factor and boston eventually was overmatched in the frontcourt ( not to mention that i think they flat out ran out of gas considering they played after their amazing but grueling chi-town series). orlando would have a problem with the two finalists in the west but i can see the cavs being more than a match for the two teams. funny how the nba works, huh?
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5/27/2009  12:26 PM
I didn't say Orlando was superior to us. I said the Magic are so superior to US that they are wearing down Cleveland pretty nicely and even Cleveland was superior to us. I still think Orlando would do just fine against the west.
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5/27/2009  12:26 PM
Yea.
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5/27/2009  12:40 PM
We absolutely are far far away... We are a galaxy away.
In fact we have no single starter to be mentioned in comparison with top 8-10 teams.
We have some OK backups but I do not think we will hold on to them.
Knicks is work in progress, and in the very early stages of the work.
Adding a couple of suppers can speed it out from 5 to 2-3 years to get in top 8.
We are basically expansion team, even worth as we are starting over with very bad baggage. And cleanup is still on the way.
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5/27/2009  12:58 PM
Hmmm, let's see. We have the midget, big fatso, mr. dooble dooble, JJ skinny, the rooster who couldn't crow, Q bitch who plays like he's ready for the sr. circuit, doo doo who like to party all the time, and Al 'bonehead' Harrington. The only bright spot has been Chandler's progress. Yup, I'd say we're ready to dominate the league


I'd be happy just to see some team chemistry, grit, determination and 48 minutes of effort. Right now, all we have is a bunch of losers with some decent stats. These guys have no heart.

[Edited by - Rookie on 05-27-2009 1:16 PM]
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5/27/2009  1:20 PM
Posted by Rookie:

Hmmm, let's see. We have the midget, big fatso, mr. dooble dooble, JJ skinny, the rooster who couldn't crow, Q bitch who plays like he's ready for the sr. circuit, doo doo who like to party all the time, and Al 'bonehead' Harrington. The only bright spot has been Chandler's progress. Yup, I'd say we're ready to dominate the league

I'd be happy just to see some team chemistry, grit, determination and 48 minutes of effort. Right now, all we have is a bunch of losers with some decent stats. These guys have no heart.

[Edited by - Rookie on 05-27-2009 1:16 PM]

that is good
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5/27/2009  1:34 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Rookie:

Hmmm, let's see. We have the midget, big fatso, mr. dooble dooble, JJ skinny, the rooster who couldn't crow, Q bitch who plays like he's ready for the sr. circuit, doo doo who like to party all the time, and Al 'bonehead' Harrington. The only bright spot has been Chandler's progress. Yup, I'd say we're ready to dominate the league

I'd be happy just to see some team chemistry, grit, determination and 48 minutes of effort. Right now, all we have is a bunch of losers with some decent stats. These guys have no heart.

[Edited by - Rookie on 05-27-2009 1:16 PM]

that is good

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5/27/2009  3:31 PM


Far, far away.
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5/27/2009  3:47 PM
If finding just five starters is close, then yea. We're close.
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5/28/2009  6:19 AM
Sorry to hijack this thread somewhat, but Sheed on the Cavs would make them formidable...that being said it would be great if he joined the Knicks.
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5/28/2009  9:22 AM
as far as how far are the knicks from competing, one thing i realized in the past eight years was how difficult it was to take a team to the playoffs let alone a championship. i would say in the past 8 years, at least three of those years i thought the knicks had enough talent to make it to the playoffs but they either fizzle ( 06-07) or crash and burn ( 07-08, 04-05). chemistry, which i thought was a catch phrase, was very relevant and we saw the results first hand. so i don't know how far we are. i thought the miami heat and detroit pistons were a year or two away but they won their championship because their chemistry was unbelievable though talent wise they played better teams. as far as my knowledege, i think we are still a year away from the playoffs and at least 5 years from being a championship contender but at least we have a road map towards that goal.
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5/28/2009  10:19 AM
Posted by Vmart:

Harrington/Gallo sf
Wallace/Jefferies pf
Curry/Wilcox C
Chandler/Hughes SG
Duhon/S Curry PG

That team squeaks into the east playoffs and gets dumped in the first or second round. This is not our goal. Our goal is not to build around these current players. The goal is to largely start over and that is what 2010 is all about: Starting OVER.

We watched Isiah try and try again to add players to this team and it failed miserably. The present roster is constructed of players that were acquired in an effort to get rid of Isiah's trash and their longer term deals. This present roster was not constructed to compete and therefore is not one that will be or should be built around. It's far too flawed.

Outside of Gallo, Chandler, Nate, Lee, Duhon, and maybe Harrington no one else will be here in 2010. Neither will all those players I listed in fact maybe one, two, or three of them tops.

The Knicks, if they score in 2010, are likely looking at the 2011-2012 season as their first realistic competitive year as a threat to advance deep into the playoffs.
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Posted by thejerk:

Sorry to hijack this thread somewhat, but Sheed on the Cavs would make them formidable...that being said it would be great if he joined the Knicks.

Sheed is too old to be a threat anymore. He'd be better off going somewhere such as San Antonio who uses veteran players very well. He can't be used as a top player on any team anymore. He just can't do it.
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5/28/2009  10:41 AM
It is interesting, but most of their guys are two way role players, and our guys think they are stars and don't play defense. But Duhon is better than anyone they have coming off the bench, Nate is better than West, Lee is better than Z and or Varejo.

Lebron is just that good. Used properly and if we get rid of Q and Harrington we have a decent young core. And if Eddy can actually get in shape he can at least draw fouls against bigs. Which is what was lacking big time. I hate Hughes with a passion that was a terrible deal by donnie.
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5/28/2009  11:01 AM
Posted by MS:

It is interesting, but most of their guys are two way role players, and our guys think they are stars and don't play defense. But Duhon is better than anyone they have coming off the bench, Nate is better than West, Lee is better than Z and or Varejo.

Lebron is just that good. Used properly and if we get rid of Q and Harrington we have a decent young core. And if Eddy can actually get in shape he can at least draw fouls against bigs. Which is what was lacking big time. I hate Hughes with a passion that was a terrible deal by donnie.


I was think if LeBron had Harrington as a side kick they would be killing Orlando. I know people don't like Harrington but he can score and right now LeBron wishes Harrington was on his team to take some of the scoring load.
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