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kingofelpaso
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5/21/2009  12:43 PM
The prospects of the Knicks moving up to get a shot a Rubio seem very slim without the ability to trade Lee and Nate until after July 9th.

What if this happens....

Memphis picks Rubio at the 2
Knicks pick Curry at the 3

Knicks sign and trade Lee and or Nate to Memphis after July 9th along with Curry (I think I heard a rumor about Memphis being interested when they were still supposed to be at 5 or 6) in exchange for Rubio / Darko and filler to make the deal work out.

It would let the teams shuffle the deck as they'd like to on draft night but would only require a bit of waiting time.

Is that something that can be done, perhaps with a wink and a nod
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5/21/2009  1:03 PM
this can be done with a wink and a nod, kingofelpaso. but it won't. i think that any team drafting rubio is very happy to have him and they will want to hang on to this special talent.
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5/21/2009  1:09 PM
this can be done with a wink and a nod, kingofelpaso. but it won't. i think that any team drafting rubio is very happy to have him and they will want to hang on to this special talent.
Unfortunately I agree with you on this Orangebloman
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5/21/2009  1:13 PM
Posted by kingofelpaso:

The prospects of the Knicks moving up to get a shot a Rubio seem very slim without the ability to trade Lee and Nate until after July 9th.

What if this happens....

Memphis picks Rubio at the 2
Knicks pick Curry at the 3

Knicks sign and trade Lee and or Nate to Memphis after July 9th along with Curry (I think I heard a rumor about Memphis being interested when they were still supposed to be at 5 or 6) in exchange for Rubio / Darko and filler to make the deal work out.

It would let the teams shuffle the deck as they'd like to on draft night but would only require a bit of waiting time.

Is that something that can be done, perhaps with a wink and a nod


A big problem with these types of trades involving HIGH PROFILE draft picks after 7-9-09 is that the team making the original pick has to act all excited about the pick and has to introduce them to their fans...etc.

To follow up all of that HOOPLA (to steal a phrase from Clyde) by trading the pick would take some BALLZ by some GM. How many times has something like this happened - where a team selects a high draft pick and then moves them a few weeks later as part of a sign and trade?
kingofelpaso
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5/21/2009  1:51 PM
Oh well.....Curry it is then.

I can live with that.
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5/21/2009  1:57 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

this can be done with a wink and a nod, kingofelpaso. but it won't. i think that any team drafting rubio is very happy to have him and they will want to hang on to this special talent.


IM in the camp that Rubio needs endorsment deals to pay his buy out.

He has some unique leverage not seen before. He can flat out pick his spot.

My other conpsiricy theory is Sacremento's arena deal falls away dn the team goes to Las Vegas which boosts franchise value big and opens up some unique exposure for Menudo Pistola Ricky. Can't tell me Maloofs are not tanking team and would be happy in SacTown long term when they own what they own in Vegas.

Only thing they got going is they are they only game in town.

Its plausable knicks end up with Rubio in my bias opinion.
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5/21/2009  2:00 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by kingofelpaso:

The prospects of the Knicks moving up to get a shot a Rubio seem very slim without the ability to trade Lee and Nate until after July 9th.

What if this happens....

Memphis picks Rubio at the 2
Knicks pick Curry at the 3

Knicks sign and trade Lee and or Nate to Memphis after July 9th along with Curry (I think I heard a rumor about Memphis being interested when they were still supposed to be at 5 or 6) in exchange for Rubio / Darko and filler to make the deal work out.

It would let the teams shuffle the deck as they'd like to on draft night but would only require a bit of waiting time.

Is that something that can be done, perhaps with a wink and a nod


A big problem with these types of trades involving HIGH PROFILE draft picks after 7-9-09 is that the team making the original pick has to act all excited about the pick and has to introduce them to their fans...etc.

To follow up all of that HOOPLA (to steal a phrase from Clyde) by trading the pick would take some BALLZ by some GM. How many times has something like this happened - where a team selects a high draft pick and then moves them a few weeks later as part of a sign and trade?


Its a good point that they have to sell some sizzle with a high exposure pick.

If its Memphis gets rubio but wants to trade him, they will sell his potential. Then two weeks later they sell the fact the team can win better NOW and how commited they are to winning but with Mayo, Conley and Gay they got what it takes and just need the pieces they get on the trade.
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5/21/2009  3:00 PM
I'd love to S&T Lee to whatever team drafts DeJuan Blair. Idea being that whatever team grabs Blair wants & needs a PF anyway - we'll give them David Lee (hopefully resigned to a halfway decent contract, nothing over the top) who's the best double-double threat the league had to offer last year and one of it's top rebounders. As a rebuilding club, for the longterm money that Lee will command, he's not exactly what we need right now but there's no doubt that he's arrived as a player - he's a ready-to-go, productive contributor at the 4 spot. Say Blair gets drafted anywhere from 11-20 or below - those are better teams than us, playoff teams, so I could see a team like that being interested in David Lee who's a more advanced player than Blair at the moment. Meanwhile with us, as a rebuilding team, we grab Blair and develop him. We might have to be a little patient with him but his upside is higher than Lee's IMO. This guy's got BEAST written all over him. I think Blair's ceiling might be Larry Johnson-lite minus the 3 pt. shooting...

--Resign David Lee and trade him to whatever team drafts Blair - Lee for Blair and filler.
--Flip a resigned Nate Robinson to any team willing to part with a 2010 1st rounder projected to go in the 10-15 range and filler. Use this to deal ourselves right back into next year's draft.

That's how I'd approach dealing with Lee and Nate after the draft. I like both a lot but if I had a chance to save a lot of money longterm (and money for 2010 free agency which is paramount), get younger and possibly even improve upon the talent base (I'd argue that if we substituted Blair for Lee and managed to pick up a 2nd rounder and slid a Jodie Meeks or even a Jack McClinton into Nate's role, we actually IMPROVED upon the talent level moving forward), that's how they should approach it. Save money & clear up the cap situation somewhat by opening up future cap room, get younger, replace the two players with similar players & possibly improve the talent base to boot. When evaluating Lee and Nate, look for deals that yield exactly that kind of return. That's how I'd approach this if I were Donnie...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-22-2009 02:50 AM]
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5/21/2009  7:51 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by kingofelpaso:

The prospects of the Knicks moving up to get a shot a Rubio seem very slim without the ability to trade Lee and Nate until after July 9th.

What if this happens....

Memphis picks Rubio at the 2
Knicks pick Curry at the 3

Knicks sign and trade Lee and or Nate to Memphis after July 9th along with Curry (I think I heard a rumor about Memphis being interested when they were still supposed to be at 5 or 6) in exchange for Rubio / Darko and filler to make the deal work out.

It would let the teams shuffle the deck as they'd like to on draft night but would only require a bit of waiting time.

Is that something that can be done, perhaps with a wink and a nod


A big problem with these types of trades involving HIGH PROFILE draft picks after 7-9-09 is that the team making the original pick has to act all excited about the pick and has to introduce them to their fans...etc.

To follow up all of that HOOPLA (to steal a phrase from Clyde) by trading the pick would take some BALLZ by some GM. How many times has something like this happened - where a team selects a high draft pick and then moves them a few weeks later as part of a sign and trade?

I agree, it would come across as weird and too transparent.
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5/21/2009  11:58 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by kingofelpaso:

The prospects of the Knicks moving up to get a shot a Rubio seem very slim without the ability to trade Lee and Nate until after July 9th.

What if this happens....

Memphis picks Rubio at the 2
Knicks pick Curry at the 3

Knicks sign and trade Lee and or Nate to Memphis after July 9th along with Curry (I think I heard a rumor about Memphis being interested when they were still supposed to be at 5 or 6) in exchange for Rubio / Darko and filler to make the deal work out.

It would let the teams shuffle the deck as they'd like to on draft night but would only require a bit of waiting time.

Is that something that can be done, perhaps with a wink and a nod


A big problem with these types of trades involving HIGH PROFILE draft picks after 7-9-09 is that the team making the original pick has to act all excited about the pick and has to introduce them to their fans...etc.

To follow up all of that HOOPLA (to steal a phrase from Clyde) by trading the pick would take some BALLZ by some GM. How many times has something like this happened - where a team selects a high draft pick and then moves them a few weeks later as part of a sign and trade?

I agree, it would come across as weird and too transparent.

Guys- does Memphis even have fans? Media? Who would they have to sell that to?
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5/22/2009  1:43 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by kingofelpaso:

The prospects of the Knicks moving up to get a shot a Rubio seem very slim without the ability to trade Lee and Nate until after July 9th.

What if this happens....

Memphis picks Rubio at the 2
Knicks pick Curry at the 3

Knicks sign and trade Lee and or Nate to Memphis after July 9th along with Curry (I think I heard a rumor about Memphis being interested when they were still supposed to be at 5 or 6) in exchange for Rubio / Darko and filler to make the deal work out.

It would let the teams shuffle the deck as they'd like to on draft night but would only require a bit of waiting time.

Is that something that can be done, perhaps with a wink and a nod


A big problem with these types of trades involving HIGH PROFILE draft picks after 7-9-09 is that the team making the original pick has to act all excited about the pick and has to introduce them to their fans...etc.

To follow up all of that HOOPLA (to steal a phrase from Clyde) by trading the pick would take some BALLZ by some GM. How many times has something like this happened - where a team selects a high draft pick and then moves them a few weeks later as part of a sign and trade?

I agree, it would come across as weird and too transparent.

Guys- does Memphis even have fans? Media? Who would they have to sell that to?

Not Memphis fans --- you couldnt fill a barn with Grizzly fans. I'm talking about the ESPN anti-NY sniper squad; they would be all over it, screaming and crying.
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