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Nice new piece on Jennings (might show exactly why going to Europe was good)
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PresIke
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5/14/2009  9:34 AM
http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#Brandon-Jennings-Biding-his-Time-in-Rome-3212
Comparing the Brandon Jennings we saw then with what we’re seeing now might make you rub your eyes in disbelief.

Gone is the brash, arrogant teenager with the Kid ’N Play style flat-top who dominated the ball in absolute fashion and looked first and foremost for his own shot, his stats and the ultimate high-light play. In his place is a much more mature, respectful young man, always cheering on his teammates, showing great body language and painstakingly trying to do what his coaches ask of him, almost to a fault at times.

In the second quarter, Jennings comes up with a steal and has a three on two transition opportunity. Not seeing the angle he was looking for, he pulls the ball out, waits for his teammates to run down the floor and calls a play, to the shock of everyone in attendance who had watched him play in America. “The Brandon Jennings of old would have never passed up that opportunity” the Director of Player Personnel sitting next to us points out while nodding his head. “Gotta limit those turnovers” Jennings explains to us afterwards. “My job is to be a pass-first point guard.”

Look no further than the way a relatively unheralded player like Aaron Brooks has been able to put his stamp on this year’s NBA playoffs for evidence of how valuable a speed demon like Jennings can be in the right offense.

All the bumping and hand-checking he’s been learning to deal with all season long from European defenders might make life a lot easier for him once he reaches the NBA, where everything is much more open thanks to the defensive 3-second rules and much tighter officiating on the perimeter.


What separates him from the Aaron Brooks’ and Monta Ellis’ of the world, though are his playmaking instincts. His talent and creativity with the ball were always evident in the games, scrimmages and practices we saw, as he sees the floor and is capable of making incredibly difficult passes look easy, in a way that no point guard in this draft not named Ricky Rubio can. Over the course of our three days in Rome, we saw Jennings make a handful of mind-blowing plays that hint of an incredible future that is in store, particularly in transition or running the pick and roll.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-14-2009 09:43 AM]
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5/14/2009  9:35 AM
wonder if someone like this is someone that might work in d'antoni's offense?...hmmmmm...

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5/14/2009  9:38 AM
and of course...most importantly:
...one clear-cut benefit from playing in Europe, though: “I’ve got the flopping down pat!” Jennings jokes.


[Edited by - PresIke on 05-14-2009 09:41 AM]
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5/14/2009  10:31 AM
great post - thanks for finding that

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5/14/2009  10:45 AM
Nice find Ike. I've been back and forth with who I want between Jennings/Curry and these types of articles really make me think that we are going to get a good player at 8 whether it's Jennings or Curry. I hope we choose one of the two. Right now, I'm going with Jennings.
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5/14/2009  10:50 AM
I doubt Jennings is lasting till 8
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5/14/2009  10:54 AM
no doubt. i admit knicksbabyyeah posted it elsewhere, which is where i first saw it, but i always check draftexpress since it is a good site anyway, and they mentioned that they were with jennings and would have a report.

to me, kenny anderson seems like a pretty good comparison right now in many ways. relatively thin, hyper-quick with excellent court vision and passing abilty, and not the best jump shot. hello, i'd take kenny anderson as the pg on our team right now any day. plus, his willingness to learn and improve bodes very well for overcoming his deficiencies.

i also don't think even if he doesn't become a superstar, that he is going to become a telfair after his experience in europe because he seems like a much better team player and passer.

this story seems to support (at least in their observations and interview with him) exactly why i was very much a proponent of jenning's decision to go to europe. perhaps, as he said, players who look to play there might want to put themselves on a team where he can get big minutes, but the european approach to developing young players in b-ball seems much more similar to the way big soccer clubs do it.

for example, the american soccer player, jozy altidore, was bought by a fairly big club in spain for the most money ever paid for an american, last year. but he was then transfered on loan to a smaller team so he could get minutes, because they aren't so cool with experimenting with an 19 year old american when they are competing for being a top team in la liga. RARELY do you see very young players (unless they are absoultely amazing) get big minutes on top teams. the team jennings is on is also a top team, so they weren't going to mess around with a 19 year old who has never played at that level.

however, by not getting the big minutes it may have been a bit humbling, and at his age, and limited experience, you can accept that a lot easier than when you are always treated like a super-duper-star wherever you go, which happens for most american top players here.

to me, the nba NEEDS to change it's system of developing players big time. i happen to think ncaa hoops is not the best system and may actually be harmful.

anyway, it will be interesting to see how jennings does when he comes into the nba.

i'm not so sure if he will last until our pick, though.



[Edited by - PresIke on 05-14-2009 10:57 AM]
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5/14/2009  10:55 AM
Would love to see a workout where any combo of Jennings, Rubio, Lawson, Curry, Maynor & Mills are present. Lot of good young PGs etering the league.
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5/14/2009  11:04 AM
in other words...

look at how long it takes some very young players to develop in the nba, especially if they are on a "good" team or a team under pressure for making the playoffs.

basically, you won't play.

jermaine o'neal sat on the bench for 5 years, basically.

only bad teams, especially those without bad contracts (another ridiculous problem for the nba), can afford to play their young players. however, the problem is that they are then often playing with other undeveloped players and sometimes for a bad coach who's also under a great deal of pressure to win to keep their job or in the nba at all.

the nba needs a real minor league system.

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5/14/2009  11:08 AM
Posted by PresIke:

in other words...

look at how long it takes some very young players to develop in the nba, especially if they are on a "good" team or a team under pressure for making the playoffs.

basically, you won't play.

jermaine o'neal sat on the bench for 5 years, basically.

only bad teams, especially those without bad contracts (another ridiculous problem for the nba), can afford to play their young players. however, the problem is that they are then often playing with other undeveloped players and sometimes for a bad coach who's also under a great deal of pressure to win to keep their job or in the nba at all.

the nba needs a real minor league system.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-14-2009 11:04 AM]

It's a good idea, but 1) Put the age limit back to 18. 2) Players should HAVE to spend time in the minors. The quality of the NBA would be that much better.
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5/14/2009  11:14 AM
i'm not so high on an age limit, and actually think it should be the opposite.

in baseball you have guys leaving high school to play in the minors at 17. same goes for big time soccer clubs, internationally.

they have their own small teams that they can develop players they hold under some kind of contract how they see fit for their own team.

then young players with talent can actually get paid for their work. the problem is we still treat it like they're playing a game and should be grateful. okay, sure, but someone is making money off their playing a "game" so they should get a piece of it on their terms. plus teams can then properly develop players on their minor league teams with 100% attention to this.

in college or high school you are still an ACADEMIC STUDENT first and foremost, which makes no sense for potentially pro-athletes who can always go to secondary or post-secondary school when you are older, and when one's window for being a pro-athlete is short.

would we ask potential lawyers to go to a pro-athlete development school in order to spend some of their time in this pro-athlete school to learn how to be a lawyer, and held to the same expectations as those who want to be pro-athletes?

this is effectively what we do towards potential pro-athletes...

particularly for basketball and football.

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5/14/2009  11:23 AM
Posted by McK1:

I doubt Jennings is lasting till 8

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5/14/2009  11:32 AM
yeah, my guess is golden state takes him at 7 (if the order stays in tact).

however, if someone moves up it could alter things or other circumstances.

maybe teams that did less scouting on jennings, going with more familiar faces like lawson or one of the other big time college pgs, like flynn.

remember how frye moved up from a mid-1st rounder the year we (sadly) took him.

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5/14/2009  1:14 PM
Hah, I was just thinking about making a post about that article too.

After reading it, if Jennings has melo'd a bit and shows great upside, what is the consensus on taking him at the 3, if the Knicks were to get that pick?

Is that too high for him?

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5/14/2009  1:31 PM
Ike, my hope is that he does drop... just don't think he will

Heading into this past season, people were split on whether Rubio or Jennings was the best point prospect... Jennings has natural talent. He's no Rubio, but at one point it was a legitimate debate and maybe three years from now it becomes a debate again
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5/14/2009  2:55 PM
Jennings is a nice prospect... wouldn't complain at all if we picked him... just don't wanna pass up DD if he's available, but he probably won't last til 8 so unless we move up we'll probably have a choice between Jennings & Curry... if that's the case i might prefer trading down a few spots & trying to maximize that value outta the pick & take Curry lower while adding a possible late rounder to take a Mullens or Christmas.
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5/14/2009  3:00 PM
Sorry, I'm not seeing DD as anything different than a Trevor Ariza type (a 6'8" jumping jack with very limited skills). With Chandler in our future, why DD over the PG/C positions or even James Harden at SG?
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5/14/2009  3:07 PM
Matter of fact, I am baffled why he's ranked over guys like Sam Young & Chase Budinger. Athletically, he may be a half a notch better. But he doesn't have half the skill level of those guys, showed no ability to get to the rim in college, has no game beyond 12 feet, very questionable handle....
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5/14/2009  3:12 PM
well, firstly DD shot for a much, much better % than Ariza did his freshman year... second, if u watched DD completely outplay James Harden on not 1 but 2 occasions last year in head to head matchups, in particular the Pac10 Championship game where Harden was a complete no show & DD made a key impact & completely out performed his more highly hyped opponent, u would know why i'm so high on DD & not so high on James Harden... & third, if we could draft a PG like Rubio i'd be all over that pick over DD, but we likely won't be in a position to do so... i don't see any bigtime natural PG's in this draft that personally i feel would be worth giving up a shot at a bigtime SG talent like DD for... i will guarantee u right now he won't be anywhere near the kinda player Trevor Ariza is... u can put me on the record & quote me a few years from now on that one... i ain't no draft prospect guru but i have a real good feeling about this kid & i would hate to pass up on him if he's available... i think he's gonna be really, really good... obviously there's always the risk he'll become the next Gerald Green, but personally i think it's worth the risk to find out, cuz the upside on this kid is through the roof.
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Nice new piece on Jennings (might show exactly why going to Europe was good)

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