If Kurt Thomas continues this production, he'll likely opt out. He's averaging 11.2 points and 12 rebounds, ranking him fourth in the league in boards.-- Published today.

We have three bright spots on this roster. Houston (I'm still not comfortable typing 'H2O', but I'm warming up to it), KVH and Kurt Thomas. It would be a shame to let him go, because in the obvious vision of Knick sucess, he is a good fit. It would be just like this management group to trade him for garbage or let him walk for nothing.

I'm a believer. I like the roster before the start of the season, and have seen flashes of cohesiveness that give me hope. But maybe some of the less optimistic posters are right: maybe they should just start Houston, Lampe at the 5, Sweetney at the 4, KVH and FWill. I bet that starting line up wouldn't be much worse than 3-8.

Now TRU, YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE WE ARE 3-8 and HINDSIGHT IS 20/20 . You are only hoping that the roster you just mentioned would be placed on the court to make fans like you excited again. If the knicks made the playoffs last yr and lost 4-0 with the the same vets in rd 1 from this current roster , then what you are saying would make sense even to this crazy management. But what you haven't allowed is for all the guys on this Current Roster to play together with out anyone of them being injured and to actually jell. I think what you said makes sense, but not at this moment. NY fans are too impatient , the have Yankeeitis.

when i hear the word*injured* in sports i want to throw up. how come sacremento lost all of their core for long periods of time last year and still won near 60 games in the west? we have the biggest payroll in the NBA--we are not built around 1 player. the word injury is an excuse. Allan Iversen didnt play two nights ago and philly WON jermaine oneal didnt play the other night and they WON. KVH isnt close to their level anyway. We are 3-8 because we are not GOOD. All teasm have turnover---don't use the word excuse in sports--in fact I learned a long time ago from a very bright person to exclude the word EXCUSE from my vocabulary. When you fail to prepare you prepare to fail.

I would only trade KT for a #1 draft pick !!! You might think its too much to ask for him but i think the right team would do it like the LAKERS who have no backup PF or C !!!

The ideal situation would be to dump KT and Eisley or Anderson on a team in a package. Getting rid of Eisley or Anderson is big.

the suns aint trading penny for shandon and charlie ward

what are you stupid??

you have to be stupid.

no one wants charlie ward

If we are out of it come the trade deadline--and that is almost impossible in the east--but if we are and Thomas is averaging something like 14 points 11.5 rebounds 1.5 blocks shooting 48% and he has a reasonable 5mm$ contract that can be void by either party at years end, he MIGHt be the MOST coveted trade asset on the market to a burgeoning playoff contender. Would I trade KT and Ward to Pheonix for Tom Gugliota and a 2005 #1 pick lottery protected? yes and with their thin frontline and no back up PG, that might be a good deal for Pheonix as example. Or can I get a young player for KT? Can I get Stromile Swift and change? Swift makes sense because he is young athletic and plays the 4-5. There are things we can do to change the chemistry balance and structure of the team. If its a pick, a young player who has played well who has fallen out of favor--even for a jamal crawford. would I do a jamal crawford and chump change for KT right now? YEP even now. We have to have open eyes and minds going forward. While making the playoffs is a goal, it shouldnt supercede making huge corrections to the team. This team cannot cut corners anymore. the goal is not making a playoff--the goal is to have a team that has the ability to drive towards a championship every year for multiple years. Thats how teams MAKE money when they have advanced payrolls. Making the playoff and falling 3-1 and then falling right back out means 0.

If andersen's contract matched the length of Penny's--which it doesn't, I would bet good money the Suns would trade Hardaway in a hearbeat--why? because they save tremendous amounts of cash for a player who is shot. Lets say andersen had only 2 years remaining

Hardaway 2 years 27mm
Andersen 2 years 14mm
Ward 1 year buyout 2 mm


Phoenix gets well below any tax threshold both years[which doubles any money spent] and saves an additional net 9MM$. You have to be kidding me, any business man would do this trade in a minute. Hardaway's value right now is not worth more than 2-3mm MAX. he has no dominate position on the team and shanden andersen could fill in as back up at the same rate Penny does on the wing. Im not saying andesen is better, Im saying that penny isnt a big part of that team anymore--they would rather save the 10+mm and gain the flexibility. Believe me im right on this:>)

thats not a deal, no way. even from the knicks perspective there is no reason to trade for PH