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Jeremy Tyler bags his senior year of HS to go play in Europe
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4/23/2009  8:12 AM
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4/23/2009  8:48 AM
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4/23/2009  9:03 AM

Is this guy that good? Is he a decent enough studant? What if he gets hurt? What about the rest of his life?

If its just dollars and cents, then these guys should move at age 14 and let them play.

Rubio and Gallo played in a developmental league, not top tier. They had time to grow, time to PRACTICE.

Bigs need fundamental footwork to succeed.

If the guy is good enough he will earn lots of money in due time.

Its his life, I hope it all works for the best.

If Im Stern, I am not losing sleep. Why should he care, the player still comes in at age 19. If he is a star, his exposure is high on a big stage.

If I am the NCAA, im not either cuz one or two players a year could do this. Have ratings really dropped? Has March Madness really lost much? Aren't there euros that come over here to play college ball also?

I just hope he gets enough practice time.

High school, the kid dropped out of high school!!!!! I don't know how I feel about it. High school can suck for some, but we all gotta put out, adapt and get thru it.

Im sure soon enough some kids will leave at 14 and go into the juniors programs in europe if its a good enough investment. FOr all the Rubios and Gallo's that succeed, how many don't and what becomes of them? Do university in europe have major basketball programs? Are the junior leagues in place because of that? Are the kids getting a good enough high school education? Remember, most don't make it to the pro level.

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4/23/2009  10:36 AM
great idea. my dream too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/sports/ncaabasketball/23prospect.html?_r=1&hp
His decision is perhaps the most important one since Kevin Garnett jumped straight to the N.B.A. from high school in 1995. Garnett was the No. 5 pick in the N.B.A. draft and ushered in a generation of preps-to-pros stars like Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Dwight Howard. A minimum-age rule passed for the 2006 draft cut off that route, essentially forcing players to spend at least one year in college.

screw playing for NCAA hoops.

get paid for your trade and skill.
"Nowadays people look to college for more off-the-court stuff versus being in the gym and getting better,” Tyler said. “If you’re really focused on getting better, you go play pro somewhere. Pro guys will get you way better than playing against college guys."

talk about stating EXACTLY what i wrote. i swear i didn't say boo to the guy. haha.

interesting how he said that college is more about "off-the-court stuff"...

hmmm...

wonder what that means?

like building hype? look at how so many of us react to players who don't play in ncaa hoops or for big programs?

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-23-2009 10:44 AM]
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4/23/2009  10:38 AM
like i said in the "degradation of the nba" thread...

i feel that what many folks complain about in the nba is directly related to the lack of true development that the outdated, and broken system of hs->ncaa->nba is going to exacerbate.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-23-2009 10:47 AM]
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4/23/2009  11:27 AM
Posted by PresIke:


interesting how he said that college is more about "off-the-court stuff"...

hmmm...

wonder what that means?

Education?
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4/23/2009  1:16 PM
Heh, I was thinking "off-the-court stuff" was referring to nubile co-eds. I didn't even know you could get your high school diploma online these days. Interesting too to read about high school coaches getting fired for attempting illegal student transfers. Interesting to see Sonny Vaccaro of Nike+Jordan fame behind it. I don't think this is a bad thing, though it gets me imagining Armani-suited agents skulking around high school gyms nationwide... but they probably do that anyway.

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4/23/2009  1:37 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by PresIke:


interesting how he said that college is more about "off-the-court stuff"...

hmmm...

wonder what that means?

Education?

lol...i guess that depends if you count learning how to survive all-you-can-drink for $5 natural keg parties while having a midterm exam the next am, or how to schedule your courses so you have no class on friday.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-23-2009 1:37 PM]
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4/23/2009  1:54 PM
Some other interesting comments in that NY Times article on Tyler:
Sonny Vaccaro, a former sneaker company executive, orchestrated Jennings's move and has guided Tyler and his family through the process.

'It's significant because it shows the curiosity for the American player just refusing to accept what he's told he has to do,' Vaccaro said. 'We're getting closer to the European reality of a professional at a young age. Basically, Jeremy Tyler is saying, 'Why do I have to go to high school?'

For now, Tyler said he was working out eight to nine hours a day at local gyms and schools and spending two and a half hours a day to get his high school diploma online. He said he had his 'ups and downs' in the classroom but was on track to qualify academically to play in college.

Tyler said his game stagnated by playing high school basketball here and he was frustrated by the rules of the California Interscholastic Federation and the National Collegiate Athletic Association.

He averaged 28.7 points during a tumultuous junior season in which his team went 15-11. Two of his coaches were fired in part because of their roles in trying to recruit three star players to complement Tyler. Kenny Roy, the former head coach, denied any wrongdoing.

But the three transfers were ruled ineligible, leaving Tyler the centerpiece of a team whose next biggest player was 6-2.

'It was boring and I wasn't getting better,' Tyler said. 'Each game was the same thing. I was getting triple-teamed and getting hacked. After each game I'd have scratches and bruises up and down my arms from getting triple-teamed. It just wasn't for me.'

His last comment underlies one of the most significant problems in academics in the United States after 5th grade, as statistics about childrens' attitudes about school change. Young people become disinterested because a lot of the things that are valuable to their growth in areas of strength are often not focused on.

They stick it out because they are "supposed to" and some still do well, but some of the brightest and most talented in other areas not valued by our education system and culture get repressed or ignored, leading to negative outcomes for young people.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-23-2009 1:59 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-23-2009 2:00 PM]
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4/23/2009  9:02 PM
He just wants to play ball and make as much money as possible. Shame he cant do it in the "free market" here in the U.S and has to go to the "socialism" addled Europe...lol

Tennis and Golf players do this all the time, BTW.

Laugh that people are talking about his future when he is probably going to make more in one year what it would take most average citizens to make in five.
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4/23/2009  11:15 PM
I hope the kids makes it. Sounds like he has a solid family and support system. For every guy that goes over to Europe it opens up a spot for another play thus increasing the opportunities.
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4/24/2009  11:39 AM

There really is not a thing wrong with what he is doing. At the same time the NCAA is doing just fine.

UNC just won with a very mature team what galvanized because indvidually they were not good enough to be lotto picks last year. Lets not get all warm and cushy on UNC and they all coming back to "win it". Many coaches don't want the "one and done" player as it disrupts the team.

Florida a few years ago was a nice story. They boys came back to repeat which was nice. It actually hurt Noah to some degree, but they seemed to enjoy themselves and created somthing very very speacial that will last a lifetime. It might have cost them some money, but the money is and was still there. Noah, Horford and Conley were not dire for money so it worked.

I think each kid has his own agenda and needs to follow his own path. Tyler wants to play professionally but not with the 14 year olds, but the big time. How much playing time and practice time he can get is somthing that may not be known.

Obvously Lebron like players are going to make it no matter what or where. ITs the other players who could get caught up and lose out. Don't think for a minute the Euros are not looking to profit very handsomely from these kids and will spit them out if they don't cut it. My problem is asking kids to be paid professionals when we all know young adults are not always ready to handle that kind of pressure.

Tennis and golf players are individual players and not really part of "team" sport. very young they have their parents and coaches to guide them along. In Basketball, they can't pick and choose the tournaments and matches to play, then have to get on board with the teams's schedule. They can't limit their travel but have to get on a grind that must be effiecnet and the player must adopt.

These are for the kid and the parents to decide what is the best path for the player.

Let them play. I think NBA has no problem with it because if the kid flames out then they achieved what they set out to do. See how the kids performs on the big stage! If they can't cut it in Europe, then they can decide better where he goes in the draft. He he can't dominate in the NCAA, same thing.

The 19 year old rule was to protect the league form over investing on unproven commodities. Go to NCAA, go to europe, the NBA should not care. At age 19 the top prospect kid is still coming to the NBA. If anything, the kid risks more going to europe than the NBA.
Jeremy Tyler bags his senior year of HS to go play in Europe

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