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4/21/2009  11:16 PM
Take this for what you will.

From Chad Ford's chat today -

tom (San Diego): Any word on Steph Curry declaring?

Chad Ford: I think ultimately he declares. It's a great opportunity for him this year. Weak draft and the Knicks love him. That's a perfect fit for him. If he goes back to college and doesn't dominate against better competition, he could slide. However, I really respect that he loves school and basketball isn't his life. But that doesn't help his draft stock either.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=26096





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4/22/2009  9:28 AM
I guess I am the only one but I think the guy can be awesome. He's NOT Reddick. He can really handle and has a very high BB IQ. I know he's a lot shorter than Reggie Miller but he's got that kind of sick quick release. He can handle, pass and is a nightmare to chase around away from the ball.

He reminds me of a modern day Jeff Hornacek
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4/22/2009  10:03 AM
If Thabeet wasn't there, and we don't have a top 3 pick, then I wouldn't be dissapointed if we took him. He scares me on the defensive end though, A LOT.
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4/22/2009  10:05 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I guess I am the only one but I think the guy can be awesome. He's NOT Reddick. He can really handle and has a very high BB IQ. I know he's a lot shorter than Reggie Miller but he's got that kind of sick quick release. He can handle, pass and is a nightmare to chase around away from the ball.

He reminds me of a modern day Jeff Hornacek

You're not the only one....I believe the kid could be outstanding as well.

I do have plenty of concerns regarding athleticism (but that is it). In every other regard I think the kid has star qualities.

The lack of athleticism is a huge deal though -- but I do believe he will get significantly stronger and quicker thru maturation and working out.

I tend to prefer guys with bodies that look like they will stand the pounding of the NBA grind for 8-10 years. Curry worries me in that regard -- plus watching kids like Rose, Rondo & the little water bug on Houston makes me wonder if Steph will be able to defend.

It's a truly interesting argument -- but I do think the Knicks have him VERY HIGH on their list.

Not sure what the hell I would do at this point...

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4/22/2009  10:16 AM
Far from the only one fishmike,

I've been advocating Curry for a while. Agree with your points
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4/22/2009  10:25 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I guess I am the only one but I think the guy can be awesome. He's NOT Reddick. He can really handle and has a very high BB IQ. I know he's a lot shorter than Reggie Miller but he's got that kind of sick quick release. He can handle, pass and is a nightmare to chase around away from the ball.

He reminds me of a modern day Jeff Hornacek


I like him. He is also a very good passer and as you said, his quick release is a huge plus for him....
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4/22/2009  10:27 AM
I wonder about his defense too, but If he can come in and run the point effectively, not in the Nate sense of way, I wouldn't mind it. But if he is drafted as a 2 and only a 2, we've got some serious problems.


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4/22/2009  10:31 AM
No way Curry could come in as only a 2.

He would have to accept some responsibility as a 1, but I'm confident in his ability to pick that up.

I think it was the case that Steve Nash came into the league as an undersized guard and was eventually able to develop his PG skills.

Not to say that Curry is the second coming of Nash, but it shows that its possible for a player without alot of PG experience to learn the position and thrive in it. I think Curry might be able to do just that
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4/22/2009  10:38 AM
I think Billups was a SG in college and one could argue that he is one of the best PGs today.
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4/22/2009  10:42 AM
I think Steph Curry would be murder, running the point for MDA. Can you imagione Curry running the pick and roll, a la Steve Nash? There is no way you can go underneath the pick because he will bury the mid-range J at will. He's also a lot better at getting to the basket than people give him credit for. He averaged close to 8 or 9 freetrhows per last season.

Listen the game has changed over the years. You dont need a pure point to win a title or be a contender (See: D Fisher). Obvioulsy, if you bring in Curry, you would need another playmaker on the floor at the 2 or 3. But Curry is definitely a usefull piece to a championship puzzle. Not the Main Piece, but a very useful one.
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4/22/2009  10:49 AM
Set The Way Back Machine for 2001

Tony Parker from France (28th pick)

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Stephon Curry?





[Edited by - misterearl on 04-22-2009 10:51 AM]
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4/22/2009  10:50 AM
he's not going to be a good defensive player. Thats all there is to it. But he's got as high a BB IQ as any player. He plays hard and smart. He's a winner and fierce competitor. He's a team guy. He's a coaches dream.

He's not going to be the player you build around, but put him in the right position and he's a guy that can be a very big part of a winning team IMO.

Not all players, especially late lottery guys are going to be stars. There is no shame in taking a guy thats only going to be good.

Memphis took heat for taking a 'low upside' player in Battier over better 'prospects' like Rodney White (a guy Briggs coveted) and Diop. Guy turned out to be a hell of a player in this league.
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4/22/2009  10:55 AM
He needs to work on his body. I thought his 3 point shot went slightly south with the line moved back--perhaps a sign of a lack of leg strength. Chris Paul was kind of skinny and put on nice muscle--thats what Curry has to do. Curry is the cerebral type player--he knows the game with a high IQ and has a variety of moves to separate from his defender. That being said I would say that he had problems with stronger faster athletes this year and was able to be taken out of his game rhythm. He did transition over to the 1 guard this year and actually played the 1 better earlier in the year compared to later. A good passer not a great passer but has good vision. Only a fair ballhandler. He does make a lot of risky type passes--perhaps due to his first year playing the position. Sneaky quick and sneaky good on the D and taller than what he looks like on TV--[rod strickland disease] Lacks great speed explosion and strength. Is a very good rebounder for a guard. It all depends on whether they believe he can play PG.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-22-2009 10:57 AM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-22-2009 12:19 PM]
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4/22/2009  10:57 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I guess I am the only one but I think the guy can be awesome. He's NOT Reddick. He can really handle and has a very high BB IQ. I know he's a lot shorter than Reggie Miller but he's got that kind of sick quick release. He can handle, pass and is a nightmare to chase around away from the ball.

He reminds me of a modern day Jeff Hornacek

I like him too Fish. He's not my first choice for draft pick, but I wouldn't mind the Knicks picking up another late lotto pick to get him. I definitely agree that he's not Reddick, he's much more of a complete player.
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4/22/2009  11:01 AM
Posted by fishmike:

he's not going to be a good defensive player. Thats all there is to it. But he's got as high a BB IQ as any player. He plays hard and smart. He's a winner and fierce competitor. He's a team guy. He's a coaches dream.

He's not going to be the player you build around, but put him in the right position and he's a guy that can be a very big part of a winning team IMO.

Not all players, especially late lottery guys are going to be stars. There is no shame in taking a guy thats only going to be good.

Memphis took heat for taking a 'low upside' player in Battier over better 'prospects' like Rodney White (a guy Briggs coveted) and Diop. Guy turned out to be a hell of a player in this league.

good point fish.. every year, every lottery team, thinks they are drafting a star.. well every year, the draft may not have a star player in it... I just want good players, who can play, and play the right way...
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4/22/2009  11:16 AM
No Sidegrades

Who talked about Davidson before Stephen Curry?

He knows how to play basketball and is fearless.

Imagine the upgrade in interviews

I have no problem with Curry making the guys around him better.

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4/22/2009  11:42 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

He needs to work on his body. I thought his 3 point shot went slightly south with the line moved back--perhaps a sign of a lack of leg strength. Chris Paul was kind of skinny and put on nice muscle--thats what Curry has to do. Curry is the cerebral type player--he knows the game with a high IQ and has a variety of moves to seperate from his defender. That being said I would say that he had problems with stronger faster athletes this year and was able to be taken out of his game rhythm. He did transition over to the 1 guard this year and actually played the 1 better earlier in the year compared to later. A good passer not a great passer but has good vision. He does make a lot of risky type passes--perhaps due to his first year playing the position. Sneaky quick and sneaky good on the D and taller than what he looks like on TV--[rod strickland disease] Lacks great speed explosion and strength. Is a very good rebounder for a guard. It all depends on whether they believe he can play PG.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-22-2009 10:57 AM]


I think your Curry scouting report is pretty accurate.

I do think analyzing him as a point is made more difficult because of the team he played on. He had very few options on that team and defenses knew it. In addition he also knew that his team needed him to score to stay in games.

I fully expect his strength to improve measureably and his outside shot will be the LAST thing he has to worry about. His father was the best (& quickest) long range shooter I've ever seen and that includes guys like Reggie Miller and Ray Allen.

D'Antoni's system is perfect because it pushes the pace (Curry's weakness is half-court) and Mike always frees the point guard with the high screen. If you put a smart player like Curry in a situation where the defense has to think for a split second he will beat them the large majority of the time.

His passing was sometimes sloppy this year -- he was often casual with passes but he does show a very strong left hand on layups, off the dribble and on passes.

He's very cerebral and he won't back down from BIG SHOTS those may be the biggest keys.
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4/22/2009  11:53 AM
He's one of the hardest prospects in this draft to project. That said, while he isn't my top choice I would be fine with taking him. He has the skills to be a good NBA point guard, along with the leadership and basketball IQ that this team needs. His lack of atheticism is scary, but D'antoni's system really does not require elite athleticism from it's pg (Nash is many things, but he's not very athletic). When you look at Nash in this system, the skills that made him a great match were his passing, outside shooting, and IQ. Not at all comparing Curry to Nash, but he does have the skills to be very good in this system.

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but here's and interesting breakdown of Curry by Bobby Knight:



He does take it too far. I think Curry is more of a very good passer with great court vision than the all time great passer Knight makes him out to be...still an interesting perspective.
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4/22/2009  12:30 PM
Posted by NYKPHINS:

He's one of the hardest prospects in this draft to project. That said, while he isn't my top choice I would be fine with taking him. He has the skills to be a good NBA point guard, along with the leadership and basketball IQ that this team needs. His lack of atheticism is scary, but D'antoni's system really does not require elite athleticism from it's pg (Nash is many things, but he's not very athletic). When you look at Nash in this system, the skills that made him a great match were his passing, outside shooting, and IQ. Not at all comparing Curry to Nash, but he does have the skills to be very good in this system.

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but here's and interesting breakdown of Curry by Bobby Knight:



He does take it too far. I think Curry is more of a very good passer with great court vision than the all time great passer Knight makes him out to be...still an interesting perspective.



JVG also said he was the best passer in college, and Mark jackson dissagreed.... I think curry is a great passer. Not flashy, just effective...
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